Painting and lining

warren haywood

Western Thunderer
Straight lines can be done in cellulose but as it drys so quickly any errors would be impossible to correct so a full strip would be needed. I have seen a Beeson loco lined in celly and although very well done, the lining was too heavy. Brushing in corners would be impossible. Enamel lining on cellulose works without any problems so no need to do anything else.
Because the lacquer is virtually but not totally dry when it lands it creates a satin finish, dilution and high pressure is the key. I think it dries satin because it doesn't have chance to flatten off so you basically have a microscopicly uneven surface. I may be wrong on that;)

To get a gloss finish I spray at low pressure, slightly less dilution and make sure it goes in wet, trouble is if your too heavy handed any enamel may blister. It's all in the practice and knowing where the 'tipping point' is. I guess you have about 4or5 seconds drying time before the enamel is atacked by the cellulose.
 

warren haywood

Western Thunderer
Hi all
Bit of info required please
I'm painting a North British horse box dia 110 around the turn of the century. I have the basic colour sorted but need to know if these were lined and where
Also numbering and placement of other lettering.
I'm sure someone on here will have the answer
Here's hoping
 

adrian

Flying Squad
Hi, tips or recommendations would be appreciated for brush painting cellulose paint - apart from don't do it and use enamels!

I would like to touch up and correct a couple of things I've been spraying with cellulose. Experiments with thinned cellulose weren't encouraging at all. I seem to remember something about brushing thinners for cellulose - is this the best option and if so where do I get it from.

Many thanks.

Adrian
 

warren haywood

Western Thunderer
Hi Adrian
I'm afraid I have no answer to that. The majority of my cellulose paints are matched to pressicion enamels so if I need to touch up anything I use the matching enamel colour.
However touching is usually no more than tiny chips caused by handling whilst lining usually on exposed edges. If it was Anything other than a small chip I would be inclined to strip the lot off and start again. As I'm doing this commercially this is my only option as the finished job can't be 'botched'.
If you are having problems with thinned paint (I go about 1 part paint to 3 thinners) then it's possibly the thinners. You must use mirror gloss or anti bloom, standard thinner is realy only for cleaning up.
If you are ever in west Yorks call by and I will show you how to spray cellulose, once you get the hang it's much easier than enamels.
 

ScottW

Western Thunderer
Hi all
Bit of info required please
I'm painting a North British horse box dia 110 around the turn of the century. I have the basic colour sorted but need to know if these were lined and where
Also numbering and placement of other lettering.
I'm sure someone on here will have the answer
Here's hoping

Hi Warren,

I missed your post regarding North British horse boxes; are you still looking for information?

Scott
 

adrian

Flying Squad
If you are having problems with thinned paint (I go about 1 part paint to 3 thinners) then it's possibly the thinners. You must use mirror gloss or anti bloom, standard thinner is realy only for cleaning up.
Thanks for the prompt reply - I'm using anti-bloom thinners as per your recommendation. The spraying side of cellulose is fine, I just need to keep practicing. This being the latest attempt - and yes I am finding it easier than enamels

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It's just that it's been pointed out that I got the sole bar the wrong colour for the van - so it's either brush paint it or mask up below the sole bar and spray it, which is what I'll probably do for a bit of practice.
 

warren haywood

Western Thunderer
Something a little different going through the paint shop
GWR broad gauge 3501 class built by Morgan Gilbert. This is in 4mm scale and the build quality is amazing.
The lining has been a real challenge, it is no more than about .6mm wide in total

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warren haywood

Western Thunderer
i have been commissioned to paint 4 of these LMS suburbans in full period 1 livery.
Having put them off for too long I have finally made a start. Finishing one side at a time seems to be the way to reduce the monotony, the vermillion either side of the red seems to be endless, about 5 hours for this side alone.
Any way it looks a treat when it's all on.
They have been built by Graham Varley from sidelines kits.

Any way that's all for now, back to the vermillion on the second one:headbang:


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45609

Member
Nice work Warren. I'll look forward to getting this back shortly for the various "finishing off "jobs. Strictly speaking it is not 00 gauge. The wheels are P4 profile.

cheers....Morgan
 
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