1/32 A new venture, a GWR V18 Box Van.

Dave Bowden

Western Thunderer
Dave, when are you going to start put this together? I'm looking forward to seeing this built up. :thumbs:

Hi Phil

I've still go to find a suitable medium for the sole bars buffer beams (both with rivet detail added) floor, roof & underframe. If any of this is not commercially available then it will have to scratch built.

I also have other commitments as well, weather permitting keeping 1/2 acre garden under control, and I'm also insulating a summer house/railway room. There are not enough hours/days in a week!!

Dave
 

Dave Bowden

Western Thunderer
Hi All

Myself, John and Mike Williams had a phone meeting yesterday and the outcome is that we will be producing new pattens. The sides will be the same but thicker up to 4mm and the ends will be 5mm and incorporating the buffer beam and buffer bodies. This will leave the heads to be sourced by us elsewhere.

My friend John who produced the pattens came with his first prototype assembled with a plastikard roof with scribed planking, this looked very good, so this begs the question who would like to see a planked roof and who would be happy with the traditional roof in either plastikard (un-planked) brass or aluminium in a kit.

We also propose to create the floor pan with the underneath beams (as per the Peco wagons) in resin as well. I do realise that on the actual prototype they were angle iron and channel, but we are trying to keep it simple.

The solebars will be of channel section in either evergreen styrene or brass and hopefully include all the rivet detail.

Dave
 

Dave Bowden

Western Thunderer
This is my prototype box van now finally fixed together, having just joined G1MRA at Shepshed and looking back through old copies of the Newsletters has given me more thoughts and ideas on what to do about the chassis.
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I've epoxy glued mdf posts in the four corners for added strength and still have some filling in to do, but at least this project is moving at last.

Dave
 

Dave Bowden

Western Thunderer
Hi All

Here's an update to the V18 Box Van
At the Shepshed show I met up with Peter Wood of PW's Wagons, where I said I was looking for a 16ft Chassis in 1/32 scale for my box van.

At that time Peter only had a 16'6" chassis (not sure if that was 1/32 or 10mm) So he said he could re cad his drawing to my requirements.

So whilst I was away on Vancouver Island for July he has been busy producing the drawings and a prototype. This arrived in the post today.
As you see in the Sheet 1 of the instructions this is in 1mm mdf, all I have to do now is assemble it and check it against the box van.

So here's the first page of the instructions followed by the layout, all the parts are 1mm mdf. Once I have agreed that it is correct for the van Peter will then produce a steel example to check out.
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I see this as the way forward in terms of structural strength especially when used on a garden layout.

Taking of out door layouts has any one else seen the 15 parts series on YouTube by Mark Found on 'building a layout' each episode is 23mins long so not to long to get bored, but it does go and visit other peoples garden layouts (most are narrow gauge) except Bob Symes garden layout which has G1 and 101/4 inch! The purpose of the visits is to get ideas for his garden layout, well worth a look.

Dave
 
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unklian

Western Thunderer
It all looks very nice, but could I make a point about the planked roof. Would you really be able to see the planks, I thought most planked roofs were covered in canvas 'glued' down with copious quantities of white lead to seal them from the weather ? I have a number of GA's in the old OPC wagon plans book that show planked roofs which are not visible in photos. But maybe you have a photo of an exposed plank roof ?
 

Dave Bowden

Western Thunderer
The planked van is not mine, it belongs to a friend of mine who produced the masters for the resin process. I believe he is going to cover the roof with the same stuff you would use on model aeroplane wings.

My role has been to source a supplier to produce the molds for a resin kit and all the other parts required to make up a complete kit. With Peter Wood's chassis and Walsall Models cast buffers, although Graham of NMRS told me he is producing white metal ones for G1. I shall be seeing him at Telford to check them out. Axle boxes I expect to get from Neil Butcher and draw gear from Ken Martin and wheels from Peter Korzilius.

Dave
 
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Dave Bowden

Western Thunderer
Hi All

Here's an update to where I'm at so far with the box van, the chassis is now built supplied by Peter Wood. It will eventually be produced in laser cut steel. (prototype in mdf). The white metal springs and axle boxes are from Neil Butcher and the wheels from Peter Korzilius, and the buffers are from Walsall Model Industries.
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This example is for an unfitted van, the brake part in the for ground would go on the other side for fitted vans these had four brake shoes. Only the chassis has been glued together the rest of the parts are only placed in position for checking out.

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The following photo is a set of springs and axle boxes from Ken Martin, Ken now does the springs separately.
I haven't cleaned them up yet as parts of the sprues can still be seen. See #16 for a photo
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The draw gear will also be from Ken Martin.
Any questions please ask.

Dave

When we get to the Steel chassis state I intend to use these rather than the W/M ones. Graham Jones of NHMRS has produced some G1 S/C buffers in W/M and samples should be in the post to me as we speak.

This will then give buyers a choice of using either W/M or LW cast ones. (S/C = self contained, W/M = white metal and LS - lost wax)
 

Dave Bowden

Western Thunderer
Hi All

Update on the V18 Box Van + photos. The prototype is complete except for transfers, these are going to be produced by Simon Thomas of 'Old Time Workshop'. This model is going to used as a battery van for my G1 locos, and it's first outing was last week on the East Anglia Group layout 'Anglia Roads'. this ran flawlessly in both 1/2 hour session pulling coaches in one session and a rake of good stock in the second. Considering the chassis is made out of 1mm mdf I had no problems at all. For this model I've made the roof out of brass and rolled it on my set of rolling bars which I've had for around 20 years and only used about 3 times, but I'm pleased with the result.

You will notice on the photos that some of the uprights on the T section have broken off, so as a result of this new masters are to be made, properly in wood. I'm told I should get the first of the laser cut steel chassis this week! I shall post photos when it arrives.

Better quality photos will be posted at a later date.
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I shall put a shelf in the van for the switch to go on, as the end view show the link from the receiver the the motor goes out through an oblong hole in the bottom plank.

Dave
 
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Dave Bowden

Western Thunderer
Hi All
Nice to see some of the WTs at Reading on Saturday and meet lankytank in person.
So hot off the mould and lathe here's a photo of the S/C buffers that will be available for the V18 Box Van, one day.

These are from Graham Jones of NMRS who also was at Reading with his stand. I also met up with Tony Riley on Graham's stand and he will be producing the sides and ends for my box van. For the time being I've abandoned the idea of using a resin body.

I bought several pieces of different shaped brass to get a feel and to see if it looks right on a wooden body. (scale wise)

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The casting on these are very clean the only thing for the purist would be to reduce the centre rib back by 3mm or there abouts.

Dave
 

Dave Bowden

Western Thunderer
Hi All
I thought an update was due, so here's where I'm up to at the moment.

The drawing and dimensions have now been produced and passed onto Tony Riley for producing the wooden bodies.
I have now put together a laser cut steel chassis (photos below) this has the parts from Ken Martin, Graham Jones and wheels from Peter Korzilius.

The chassis was put together with super glue and I've run it on Anglia Roads layout for over two hours with no issues.

The original van shown in previous posts, I've now scrapped off the all strapping and am in the process of fitting brass angle of several different profiles.

I will post a photo later, there were three resin kits produced and I intend to replace all the strapping on them with brass angle in time.
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Clutch Side. The brake lever is not as bad as it looks sideways on.

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Opposite Side I shall be replacing the instanter link with a normal link.

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This chassis is a modified one the next one will have strapping fitted where the empty slots are. the slot nearest the headstock's should have had a small fitting in them but I didn't realise until after I'd glued the chassis together, hence the spring and wire to each draw hook.

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Last photo of one end. For the time being I'm only working on non fitted versions, these had just the three link couplings.

Dave
 

Dave Bowden

Western Thunderer
Hi All

Here's the latest photos of a completed chassis, painted with Clostermann's 446 Black Etch Primer then airbrushed with Klear, followed by dry brush weathering.

All the components fitted are listed in previous posts. Instead of painting the axleboxes/drawgear and buffer heads I've treated them with the appropriate Birchwood Casey product, although it looks like I need to redo the axleboxes again.

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Some of you will note there are some empty slots visible, this was the first of the steel chassis and so is a prototype, also I forgot to fit the small plates in the slots next to the drawhook I used this method shown to connect the two DH together via a spring in the middle, this could be done in the usually way with a spring and split pin.
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This chassis is available as a kit of parts, so just to reiterate it is a GWR 1/32 scale 16' sprung chassis. This will later be available with the body kit which is being produced by Tony Riley as we speak.

This chassis was produced to create a GWR 10t Ventilated Box Van to the Dia. V18, but could also be used with any 16' body, vans or opens that had Morton brakegear.
If anyone is interested in a chassis kit then please contact me via PM.

Dave
 
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Dave Bowden

Western Thunderer
Hi All
Here's an up date photos of the original resin model that I removed all the strapping and vent bonnets, now fitted with brass T and angle iron and white metal vents. The doors were made up from coffee sticks, the actual model will have hardwood pieces of wood.

This original box van is shown in post #26 above
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They're not very pretty but were only given a lick of paint to cover up the scraping underneath.

This is the basis of what I'm proposing to offer as a kit, as I had said previously they are now going to be produced in wood by Tony Riley. He is going to supply me with planked sides, ends, floor and doors made out of hardwood hopefully.

I shall be spraying this model soon in it's final colour which should make it look a lot better.

Tony will also be supplying me with the same as above for Minks C, D & G at the same time, so I would like to know how many people may be interested!

As soon as I have received the sets from Tony I shall make one of the Mink A up and post photos here.

The Mink C, D and G will require either Peter Korsilius's W Irons or individual springs and axle boxes,
I will sort this out at a later date.

Dave
 
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Dave Bowden

Western Thunderer
Hi All

Here's a couple of photos of the resin bodied Mink Van as shown above. This was a test vehicle to see how brass angle, T iron worked on the model and white metal end bonnet ventilators.

Paint and transfers have been added, and this will go into my small running stock list. Please bear in mind the quality of this model is poor having had all the sides and ends scrapped off.

See my next post for what will be available soon.
Dave
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Dave Bowden

Western Thunderer
Here's the first photo of the wooded body as supplied by Tony Riley. The rest of the parts are supplied by suppliers mentioned in the posts previously.

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As well as the Mink A shown here I also have 3 of each Mink body set of parts for Minks A,C,D & G
These as yet don't have a chassis for them or brake gear as these are DC III and I've yet to find a supplier for these.
Dave
 
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Dave Bowden

Western Thunderer
This is the steel laser cut chassis that goes with the mink van. 9' w/b 16' over headstocks. This is available as a flat pack and goes together using slot and tab. I fixed this one together with super glue, and it has been used on garden railways with no problems.

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I apologise for the photo quality black is not easy to show any detail. The flat pack contents are in a previous post above.

Dave
 

Dave Bowden

Western Thunderer
What I forgot to mention in the Mink A kit are the kit of parts to make up the doors. See my post#34 which shows all the component parts that make up a door.

In the rear of the #36 are three pieces of brass angle (this is just a sample of the three main types) there will be more that goes with the total kit. Construction drawings created in Inkscape will be included with a photo of a Mink A vehicle. The transfers I used on #35 are available from Walsall Eng. at £8 per sheet, there is enough to do several wagons/wans. They are also available from Tenmille products at £6 a sheet which will be enough for only one Wagon. Walsall is a better option if you intent to build more in the future.

Any questions please ask.
 
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