Ashburton

Stumpytrain

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Introduction

I've been an avid armchair 2mm Finescale modeller for years, but little real progress has ever been made. As an operations and signalling enthusiast with a penchant for British Railways Western Region in the late 1950's, I've always been fantasising over dramatic projects such as Bristol Temple Meads East Junction, Newton Abbot West and The Royal Albert Bridge. All fully signalled, absolute block, correct carriage workings and suchlike. I've enjoyed developing timetables, daunting locomotive and rolling stock lists and coming up with eye watering checklists of point ends etcetera.

Despite these dreams, a ScaleSeven model of Ashburton has been brewing in my mind for sometime. This bizarre deviation can be entirely blamed on Simon Castens of this parish and Titfield Thunderbolt bookshop fame! Simon's been subjected to hours and hours of me rambling on about my latest crackpot scheme each visit and probably grown weary of my promises of have tangible evidence of railway modelling by the time I next drop in. I've always been impressed by his 1/32 modelling and jealous of how much presence, detail and weathering that can be enjoyed in that scale. At some point I thought it might be a good idea to have a bash at a 1/32 wagon, something that I could loan to Simon and enjoy seeing on his railway. Browsing the internet, hunting for kits, my mind quickly turned to a recurring project, Bristol Old Station (I actually built the baseboards for a 2mm model!), and how I've often thought it would really suit a large scale, one side of the train shed cut away so you could peer in, "stand on the platform", and look up at the "sunlight" dappling through the Brunel roof. Maybe with "steam" à la John Dornom, as a tired 4F brings in empty stock for an express to Newcastle. "It wouldn't need much stock", a Peak or Jubilee for the Midland, a 4575 for the Avonmouth, Ivatt 2MT or BR Standard 3MT for the Bath Green Park, maybe a 4F for variety, oh, a GWR Diesel Railcar, 5800 as station pilot, a rake of Mk1s in Maroon, a 3 coach Southern set... woah, stop! I quickly realised that even shrinking to 7mm to enjoy greater commercial support I had fallen into my usual impossible dream trap.

Now, as a Devonshire lad and South Devon Railway signalman, for as long as I can remember my Euromillions dream has been to restore Ashburton Station, the one that got away. A cheeky base for my new build 1401, 'Thunderbolt', Wisbech & Upwell tram carriage (with Real Ale bar for those "do you think you own the ruddy railway" moments), D63xx and a restored AC Railbus. Now I made a leap from 12" to the foot to 7mm foot as a Euromillions win was proving tricky to secure... Enthusiastically I confessed my new proposal to Simon, elated he rummaged through his top shelf stash to find a copy of Starting in Scale OO. In it Cyril Freezer promotes his plan of Ashburton because it's "advisable to begin with a simple system that can be brought to fruition with a short time". Sound advice that I'm hoping I may finally heed.

So, here with have it folks. Ashburton, BR (WR) mid to late fifties, a 1400 tank, maybe a 4400 prairie in the future, two brake seconds, two auto trailers and a handful of wagons all wrapped up in arguably the most picturesque branch line terminus in the country.

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Maybe a little bold in ScaleSeven but with a little determination I certainly feel this is achievable. I'm still mulling over a little compression and forced perspective of the background mill buildings, but the included plan shows what I've got in mind. The Parish Road will be the foreground baseboard edge. This natural route allows exhibition viewers to walk along the lane and enjoy the most common views recorded by many photographers fortunate to have experienced the station for real, occasional trees acting as view blockers.

If you've read this far, thank you for indulging me. I wonder if this project will actually get off the drawing board? I'm still feeling optimistic!

Alex
 

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Simon

Flying Squad
A splendid introduction to a lovely idea Alex:thumbs:

I hope you do progress it, because I think you'll make a good job of it and I would truly enjoy seeing Ashburton brought back to life in the way that you described to me earlier today and have illustrated so eloquently above.

It is a really appealing subject.

Here's to progress on Watersmeet and Ashburton:)

Simon
 

Wagonman

Western Thunderer
Should your Lottery ticket turn up, Masterpiece Models are planning to do a ready to run 1400 in S7. Announcement in the next S7 Group Newsletter about to go to the printers...

Richard
 

Dan Randall

Western Thunderer
Hi Alex

I'm looking forward to this and hope there's some progress soon.

Great introduction, by the way!


Regards

Dan
 

Ressaldar

Western Thunderer
Hi Alex,

welcome to WT, sounds like you have a great plan to go for, looking forward to seeing the progress photos in due course.
cheers

Mike
 

Osgood

Western Thunderer
Reading through your project introduction and noting your very well thought-through journey towards S7, Alex - I can now begin to see where I've been going wrong! :rolleyes:

If you look behind you occasionally, when the terrain permits you may just catch the odd glimpse of me re-packing my rucksack.....

Now where did I put those re-railing ramps?

Tony
 

Stumpytrain

Active Member
Go for it Alex! Is there progress on the 14XX? Would you like the track plan to be Templotted for S7.


I regret to report that I've only progressed 1470 in my mind so far, but I'm hoping that will change soon. I'm on the verge of ordering the wheels (Slaters) which, although no actually modelling would have taken place, is a little step forward.

I would really appreciate assistance with the Templot plan but I'd feel a little guilty. Alan McMillan kindly prepared a template for Bristol Old Station but I never got further than laying the "timbers" and adding chairplates!

http://www.westernthunder.co.uk/index.php?threads/ashburton.3325/#post-86189

I'd hate to waste your time as well in this project bites the dust. I suppose it depends on how much you'd hate me if I didn't progress this, perhaps the guilt and or threats would encourage me a little? :)

bah....turncoat.......you'll be back to 2FS;)

Seriously, sounds like a great project.

Fear not Jerry I've not abandoned 2FS. I'm hoping that progress with S7 will inspire me to move some of my 2FS projects move forward, after all I'm never going to be able to make a complete model of the Royal Albert Bridge in 7mm am I? The whole bridge with approach spans would be over 50' long. Wow, what a spectacle that would be. I'll add that to my Euromillions win list! :D

Alex
 

Bob

Western Thunderer
Looking forward to seeing progress on this project Alex.
A 7mm Ashburton will be quite something:thumbs:.
ps. It's my "Euromillions" project to re-open the line too so that's doubled the probability of success:))!

pps. I trust you have a copy of Peter Kay's wonderful line history? A great book and the centre-spread is perhaps the definitive shot of Ashburton.

Bob
 

Steph Dale

Western Thunderer
Alex,
C'Mon, you've got to start somewhere, and I think you've got a lovely MOK 14xx that needs some tender mercies (and a soldering iron)
With that started you'll find the inspiration will come thick and fast...
Steph
 

SimonT

Western Thunderer
Alex,
if a Templot plan is another lever to get this project going, I would be more than happy to produce one. Shall we say that version 1 is to be B6 turnouts throughout?:)
Simon
 

Overseer

Western Thunderer
Alex
Should be interesting to watch. Without wanting to tell you how to do things, I wouldn't worry too much about sorting out the exact layout and track plan just yet. Start building rolling stock, buildings, turnouts or other bits you will need for the layout so when the time comes for building baseboards it will not be so daunting - lots will already be done and progress will seem quicker. I have an unfinished Ashburton in my murky past, it was my first attempt at finescale, in oxymoronic finescale 00, which stumbled when I realised that not much would run on the SMP track without more alteration than I was capable of at the time. Also I didn't have enough information. It was around the time when Coopercraft released their first GW wagon kits. Anyway, building a not very interesting road caused the very sad loss of a very modelogenic prototype piece of railway. So a scale7 model sounds like a good idea.
 

Stumpytrain

Active Member
Layout Design

In 7mm Scale Ashburton weighs in at roughly 20' from the road beyond the stopblocks to the Totnes end of the Maltings. While 20' is a manageable length and normally (in my mind) I like to shy away from compression, I believe that it would be handy if a small degree of reduction in length can be achieved without compromising the faithfulness of the model. Shaving 2' off the total length would mean, say, 4 x 4'6'' long baseboards rather than 4 x 5' boards and that cheeky 6" length can make all the difference to transportation.

There's little scope in my opinion to compress the length between the stopblocks and the Goods Shed due to the intimate relationship between the Trainshed, Loading Dock, Cattle Dock and Goods Shed. The engine release can't be pruned either due to the need for an engine and carriage to fit (they always stayed coupled for trips to the shed through this crossover). The attached plan shows where I believe there may be scope:

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A slight tweak of the platform length and reducing the gap between the loop and yard points (with corresponding reduction in the length of the engine shed road and maltings kickback, may do the trick. The loop was extended in the 1930s to aid operation of the Cattle Market trains, not something I plan to represent on the model, so the reduced length shouldn't be an operational blunder.

If I'm honest the main motivation behind this is the depth of the model. At its widest point the layout would be 4' from front fascia to the ridge of the rear buildings; they'd be "low relief" with little depth, if at all, beyond the ridge. However, if the distance between the goods shed and the buildings were reduced and they were modelling in a smaller, proportional, scale nominally 6mm to 1' it again might save a magical 6 inches. The reduced length of these buildings would of course be offset by the compression. Something tells me this is very similar to what Chris Lamacraft did with his EM model?

I'd be interested to hear what others think is prudent and morally sound!

Here are some photos I took in 1970 that may give you some encouragement

Super photographs Peter! Are you on Facebook? It would be great to share these on the friends of Ashburton group...

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ashburtonstation/

Alex,
if a Templot plan is another lever to get this project going, I would be more than happy to produce one. Shall we say that version 1 is to be B6 turnouts throughout?:)
Simon

Ha! I have a pretty accurate 40' to an inch official plan if you want to have a stab at building the templates over that? It dates from before the loop was lengthened but I managed to overlay a photograph of the 1960s version over the top to make something pretty accurate. Of course this would need to be altered to match my proposed compression areas.

Without wanting to tell you how to do things, I wouldn't worry too much about sorting out the exact layout and track plan just yet. Start building rolling stock, buildings, turnouts or other bits you will need for the layout so when the time comes for building baseboards it will not be so daunting - lots will already be done and progress will seem quicker.

Very wise advice Overseer, I plan to do pretty much just that. My current plan is to concentrate on 1470, some wagons and a number of the buildings, starting with the Goods Shed before I consider cutting plywood (and maybe Styrofoam!).

Thank you to everyone for your positive encouragement so far! :)

Alex
 

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SimonT

Western Thunderer
Alex,
first attempt with the cuts made where you indicated. Turnouts are a mixture of B8, B7 and B6 (Loco release). I scaled your jpg to be 20 ft long and then drew the plan over the top. It exist in compressed ans uncompressed versions. The run around and platform line are not parallel but diverge towards the buffer stops!
Simon
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Stumpytrain

Active Member
Amazing Simon, thank you! What do you think about the idea of compressing the layout a little? Can I afford to trim a little as your plan shows or do you think I should be more faithful?

B6 for the engine release sounds a little tight, is that what you think the prototype would have been? Can a 14xx and trailer run through that without looking odd?

Would you like me to send you a larger version of the 40' to an inch plan?

Alex
 
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