Bow Creek Wharf. S7

Discussion in 'S7 Group' started by eastsidepilot, 29 December 2012.

  1. eastsidepilot

    eastsidepilot Western Thunderer

    Once we get some dimensions I was wondering about a 3D printed hull which can have detail added.


    Col.
     
  2. adrian

    adrian Flying Squad

    Which by my reckoning you end up just where you started from! or have I missed something?
     
  3. 28ten

    28ten Guv'nor

    That could get very expensive. why not just use Basswood and build a traditional hull?
     
  4. eastsidepilot

    eastsidepilot Western Thunderer

    Ade and I would probably need a few of these so it would be good to mass produce.:).......unless buiding a master and resin moulding would work.

    Col.
     
  5. 28ten

    28ten Guv'nor

    Personally, id just laser them, you could churn them out then ;) all you need is decent drawings with a cross section.
     
  6. Buckjumper

    Buckjumper Flying Squad

    That's the problem; hundreds, if not thousands of the things built in Victorian times, and they were used all over transferring goods and minerals from ship to shore, as well as pootling down rivers and canals, but we've not located a decent drawing yet.
     
  7. S-Club-7

    S-Club-7 Western Thunderer

    Plus one or two for me please. Do you want wet ones or dry ones, long ones or short ones, full ones or empty ones?
    Hasties and St Helens Wharf.jpg Or steel ones? 1:24 plans for one of these is available from here but not much good for BF; might be suitable for BCW though.
     
  8. 28ten

    28ten Guv'nor

    There are also several plans for thames barges available bt they would probably dwarf everything
     
  9. Dog Star

    Dog Star Western Thunderer

    Sorry to ask... please explain the terminology of these lighters.

    Nice photo, what about a caption?

    regards, Graham
     
  10. S-Club-7

    S-Club-7 Western Thunderer

    Waterline or full hull (wet or dry), photo shows at least two different lengths (long or short), loaded or empty would give further variations on the waterline models. That's an awful lot of casting masters that Colin's got to make for us to cover all of the variations ;) once he's got a drawing :(

    Photo is dated 1937 and shows (from left to right) Black Eagle, Brewer's and Albion Wharf; Hasties and St Helen's Wharf; Wapping Pierhead Houses. Just off picture to the right of the trees is Wapping Entrance, the original ship entrance into the London Docks. In a modern context it's between St Katherines Dock (left), The Prospect of Whitby (right) and Wapping High St (behind the buildings) although modern developments don't seem to have left very much as Google Maps shows (at least I think that's where it is, I'm sure Buckjumper will correct me if I'm wrong).
     
  11. Buckjumper

    Buckjumper Flying Squad

    That's about the sum of it :D however I've compressed an extra mile in there to make it all work.

    Well that all depends whether or not Col has settled on the period yet...;)

    Nice pic too! Looks like the Thames side of London Docks to me. Edit: Aha - confirmed by Dave above. In context here.
     
  12. S-Club-7

    S-Club-7 Western Thunderer

  13. Dog Star

    Dog Star Western Thunderer

    Thank you for the caption details.
    Nice map Adrian, unusual for you to post a map without any railway presence.

    regards, Graham
     
  14. Buckjumper

    Buckjumper Flying Squad

    OK then. Even more context here. The GE London Docks branch to the west (cover GE Town & Country Vol 1) and the ELR and Thames Tunnel to the east.The cover of Great Eastern Town & Country Vol.1
     
  15. Alan

    Alan Western Thunderer

    I'm sure I've seen the second photo(in post 20) in one of Ian Rice books as an inspiration for one of his plans. Just found the book; An Approach to Model Railway LAYOUT DESIGN Finescale in small places, illustrating a design called Shotley South Quay, although your design has similarities with Paradise Fields and Cannonsgate Goods Depot.
     
  16. They are not that big:
    E_Lynn_Quayside5_small.jpg
    OK, so the model was from a kit to 1:67 (!) scale, so is slightly small, but it is quite a large barge.

    Adrian, you should talk to Trevor about Thames barges: he did quite a lot of reading up on them, and spent 3 months building "Quella" - that's 3 months of up to 7 days a week, and up to 16 hours a day (but not everyday). He had to re-make a lot of the components that came with the "kit", but learned a lot in the process.
     
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  17. eastsidepilot

    eastsidepilot Western Thunderer

    Yep I have decided to stick with c1945-46, I did consider the last decade of the GER but I have collected too much stock, fittings etc. for late LNER to change now:rolleyes: ........ however I would still like too model the GER period in the future and may:D will build alternative stock for Bow Creek.

    Col.
     
  18. Crab and Winkle

    Crab and Winkle Active Member

    Hi Adrian and Colin

    I've been meaning to register on this forum for a while and if this topic didn't get me to nothing would.
    I've been looking into plans for lighters but have so far only located one which was built in 1960 and an unusually large one at that so not very usueful for BCW or BF (or my own layout).
    One of my uncles is a researcher and author on coastal shipping and another is a shipwright who has rebuilt a number of barges most recently TSB Thallata. They are both keeping an eye out but have not turned out anything yet. However the swimheaded barge plan we found earlier minus the rigging, mast, rudder and leeboards would serve for a wooden lighter built between 1860s-1890s and with a few of the larger ones lasting into the 1950s.
    swimheaded barge.png
    I have also found these hulls for sale
    http://www.google.com.au/imgres?img...rlz=1T4GGLL_enAU384AU384&tbm=isch&um=1&itbs=1
    The small one scale out at 98ft and the medium at 116ft which would be suitable for larger steel lighters from the 1920s onward.
    I also noticed that the two Thames barges in the second warf photo are steel E. J. Goldsmith barges Carina and Varuna built 1898 and 1899. The Varuna was one of 20 built at Southampton in 1899 for Goldsmith of Grays and one of that 20 the Decima still exists and sails charters out of Heybridge near Maldon. Thames barges can be more complicated than at first you would expect as different types worked different cargos I can give a quick description in a later post if anyone is interested.
    Something else of note was one of the large lighter owners from 1900 onwards was William Cory and Sons (also PO wagons of course) I wonder if Cory Environmental have hung onto any of their old lighter or barge plans?

    Cheers

    Bill
    (from Australia)
     
  19. adrian

    adrian Flying Squad

    Welcome Bill, and you can't post a comment like that and get away lightly. Is anyone interested? I seem to remember Mickoo saying the same thing about container shipping.

    He's now up to a 9 page quick description!

    So I think you'll find your postings will be very popular.
     
  20. Dog Star

    Dog Star Western Thunderer

    What has kept you? Cannot be from awe of the postings for little has been written here about boats...

    Welcome!

    Just as Adrian has written... you never know until you ask, and we never knew we wanted to know until you mentioned the subject.

    So just write away :thumbs: .

    regards, Graham