Prototype Brush type 4 D1583 in trouble at Slough circa 1966/67

West Junction

Western Thunderer
The photographs were purchased from the local paper at the time of the incident.
If my memory serves me correctly the loco was travelling light engine on the down main. As it passed through Slough Station it hit a platform trolley which had somehow ended up on the track. The loco passed through the bridge which can be seen in the first photograph before coming to rest. I have no idea if anybody on the loco was hurt.
The loco was stored in the old disused Slough steam shed before being removed for repair.
My father took my future wife and me over to the shed to see the damage the loco had sustained.

Slough crash 01 1966ish.jpg

Slough crash 02 1966ish.jpg
 

Dan Randall

Western Thunderer
I was born in Slough and lived there for over forty years. I don't remember seeing those pictures in the local papers at the time, so thanks for posting them.

As a matter of interest, the bridge in the background of the first photo carries Stoke Road, where Modern Traction Kits (MTK), had their premises back in the 70s.


Regards

Dan

p.s. If you have any, further photos of Slough, especially the loco shed/coal stage, would be most welcome please!
 

Dog Star

Western Thunderer
Several points of possible interest...

The front left and rear left buffer heads are missing so looks like the engine went onto the side and then slid along the track for some way.

We have seen that style of jacking equipment before - the last time was when used to raise a TTA (photos courtesy of Mickoo).

Front and rear headcode set to the same (well almost), anyone any idea as to the meaning of 0Z22 at that time?
 

West Junction

Western Thunderer
Dan
My father was in Slough Panel Box and he took a few photos there although they are of variable quality. I will post them later on a new thread although here is a couple below that may bring back memories.
For a lot of information on Slough Shed your best bet is Great Western Railway Engine Sheds, London Division by Chris Hawkins & George Reeve published by Wild Swan 1987. Pages 155 to 191 give plenty of drawings, photographs and text.

Slough 1964 -0403.jpg

Slough0002.jpg

Peter
 

Bob Reid

Western Thunderer
Several points of possible interest...

The front left and rear left buffer heads are missing so looks like the engine went onto the side and then slid along the track for some way.

We have seen that style of jacking equipment before - the last time was when used to raise a TTA (photos courtesy of Mickoo).

Front and rear headcode set to the same (well almost), anyone any idea as to the meaning of 0Z22 at that time?

The 47's been running light loco for (more than likely) 1Z22 - a special of some sort or another - what would be needed Graham was a Special Traffic Notice covering that day/week......
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
The 47's been running light loco for (more than likely) 1Z22 - a special of some sort or another - what would be needed Graham was a Special Traffic Notice covering that day/week......
Agreed, 0 (zero) codes are light locos generally and what follows will be the code that the train would of followed or that path that train would of taken if loaded, not always the code of the train the loco is going to collect, unless part way through the journey, E.G 1Z22 normally runs Paddington - Cardiff but on some days runs Bristol - Cardiff, 0Z22 will be light loco from Old Oak to Bristol to pick up the train, 1Z22 will be loaded train from Bristol - Cardiff.

Another example, we have an 0R98 (0R98 is normally Tilbury - Felixstowe) from Ipswich to Felixstowe, it's a light loco movement to collect 4R97, but only on a Monday, we don't work Sundays on the terminal, for the rest of the week that path will be the 4R98 which is a full train, we only use part of 4R98 path to get a light loco 0R98 to get to the terminal.
The train 1Z22 is a special or inter region working (mind I think WR used V for inter regionals ?) but my guess is that is the path and on this day the train was not working and they have used that path to send a light loco to where ever that train goes. Example, 1Z22 might be Paddington - Cardiff but they'll use 0Z22 from Old Oak to say Reading where the loco terminates.

I'm fairly sure that's how it all works but can check with my mate who's a signalling manager for Network rail.

But your right, you'd need a WTT for that date to try and assess where the loco might be going to / from and there could be several 1Z22 in the WTT for the whole of the UK, each meaning something different on each region or time date etc, or there is these days, especially with specials and the like, E.G 6V38 can be a track test train from Waterloo to Bristol, but can also be a track test train Derby to York.
 
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SteveO

Guest
Was it the trolly/hand cart in the first picture that did all this damage?

There's some lovely trackwork from the Slough 'box – always wonder if all those tracks are needed. I suppose they must be to be there, or are some hangover from the 'olden days'.

Talking of trackwork (in a rather OT way) I was reading the Standards thread on GOG yesterday. Very interesting read.
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Just a little more info on this incident, can't find exact date or cause yet or info on 0Z22, but check these shots out that question the original date.

D1538 before the crash in Dec 68
http://www.flickr.com/photos/davidwf2009/5644043498/

OOC before the crash, looks like low winter sun from the shadows?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RAILWAY-D...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

After the crash, certainly the same crash as the headcode matches, Crewe Apr 69
http://www.rail-online.co.uk/ImageView.aspx?id=31c1e8d7-9a54-414e-99f0-7658abc7fefa

Later that year, Crewe Aug 69
http://www.flickr.com/photos/598350...ZZj-9j5RKP-9j95PJ-8tZios-dhriV6-fFwXtm-fFwXF7

D1583 was transferred from Canton to OOC in November 68, but went back to Canton in November 69, probably after repairs at Crewe.
 

Dog Star

Western Thunderer
Mickoo,

The caption to the first link says "Dec 1966" rather than 1968. Not sure why D1583 as a Western Region BT4 would have been at the head of a KN-Newcastle service i f the date was 1968... unless the caption is incorrect about the train and the loco is working a NE-SW service.

Otherwise, the links /dates suggest an accident date in the period Dec 1967 to March 1968.

The Railway Archives web site has no accident reported for Slough circa 1968 (as yet).
 

Bob Reid

Western Thunderer
Not a WTT mick - all of the specials were i.e. outwith the planned current timetables and appeared in STN's - Special Traffic Notices (issued on a weekly basis)....

If it was a planned special working, involving ECS to and from the departure point, the set would have been given the TRN 5Z22 and the train loco (if it was working the class 5 working) - the same. If they were being worked seperately - the ECS would have 5Z22 and the (eventual) train loco making it's way to the departure location 0z22 all culminating in them all receiving the TRN for the working - assumed in this case to be 1z22 (it could equally be class 6 for example).

A few years in the regional control helped no end!

Regards,
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Mickoo,

The caption to the first link says "Dec 1966" rather than 1968. Not sure why D1583 as a Western Region BT4 would have been at the head of a KN-Newcastle service i f the date was 1968... unless the caption is incorrect about the train and the loco is working a NE-SW service.

Otherwise, the links /dates suggest an accident date in the period Dec 1967 to March 1968.

The Railway Archives web site has no accident reported for Slough circa 1968 (as yet).

So it is, I'm going number blind, and I've not even had a drink yet, though that's going to change very very shortly!! :thumbs:

D1583 was WR even in 66 and seems to have swapped between OOC and Canton quite frequently in those early years. http://www.class47.co.uk/c47_numbers.php?s_loco=47020

I now regret not picking up one of those Heljan bodies at Telford just gone, always liked two tone green with small yellow panels on these.
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Not a WTT mick - all of the specials were i.e. outwith the planned current timetables and appeared in STN's - Special Traffic Notices (issued on a weekly basis)....

If it was a planned special working, involving ECS to and from the departure point, the set would have been given the TRN 5Z22 and the train loco (if it was working the class 5 working) - the same. If they were being worked seperately - the ECS would have 5Z22 and the (eventual) train loco making it's way to the departure location 0z22 all culminating in them all receiving the TRN for the working - assumed in this case to be 1z22 (it could equally be class 6 for example).

A few years in the regional control helped no end!

Regards,

Yup kinda get that LOL, home now and checking my local WTT...not STN's LOL, 0R98 is not the light movement I had in mind, it's 0R02 Mo, rest of the week it's 4R02, so no idea what 0R02 is feeding Mo but it is a light loco movement running in the 4R02 path.

GBRf have another light loco move from Peterborough to Ipswich which is a 4 loco set up and runs under the code 0E33 Mo, at Ipswich it splits into two trains of two locos, one half remains as 0E33 to Felixstowe where the locos split for 4E33 (first departure) and 4M23. The other pair then work onto Harwich from Ipswich under a new light loco code of oP41, where upon they split again and feed 6P41 (first departure......normally) and 4R03.

I set myself a challenge a couple of years back whilst on shift......and had days off during the week...to try and get at least one photo of every daylight arrival and departure on the Felixstowe branch, we only had 28 at that time for a whole 24hr period so not hard you'd imagine, well it's harder than you think as some run one day and the next are called something different, same path, different head code. I'd managed almost all of them and was then looking at all the light loco movements to try and bag them too, hence the research into which locos fed what, where and when. A change of shift pattern put a stop to that little project and a change in working practices too, light locos no longer work down the branch, paths are so tight that now they run the second loco DIT and split at the terminal, I think only GBRf still run the light loco paths very early on Monday and late Saturday when the line is less busy.

If you think that's all mad, take a look at GBRf and EWS use of wagons sets for these diagrams, there's seven GBRf diagrams, each set rotates one diagram a week, so if your looking for photos of a particular wagon....as I was for the WH Davis super low45's on trial....as I was for detailed modelling photos http://www.flickr.com/photos/32755955@N05/sets/72157629474057125/ then it's quite important to know in advance when they are going to turn up and on what rotation....to match with being at work on a Saturday, or better yet, on a Sunday when the terminal is closed, thus allowing all over access:thumbs: and if not at work, when to come in and not waste ones time :). GBRf and EWS are not too bad but Freightliner smiley_woot.gif hopeless!!, best way is to wait for them to be red carded and shunted to the basin for detail photos!

Anyway, where were we?, ohh I remember, 0Z22 LOL, as you surmise, light loco for xZ22 probably :thumbs:
 

West Junction

Western Thunderer
Thanks for the photos of the diesel at Crewe, my dates of 66/67 were based on the fact that we married in April 1969 and I new the accident had happened before that. I have no idea how long it would have taken to remove the loco from Slough to Crewe or how long before Crewe dealt with it. It is unlikely (but possible) the accident happened in 1969 as I spent about three weeks in hospital early in the year, was studying for my final professional exam at the end of March plus getting married in April, however it could have been 68. It was a long time ago.

Peter
 

Ron Richards

New Member
Sadly retired driver W. Treharne who was driving D1583 accompanied by passed fireman K.Dale on that day so many years ago passed away last week. I spent many happy hours working with Bill who came to Oxford from Honeybourne. The only time I fired a Britannia was with him. He was a lovely person and I suppose they were both lucky when D1583 struck a brute which had rolled off the down main platform at Slough and interfering with the points ahead of the loco.
 

Brian Daniels

Western Thunderer
Hello Ron, nice to here from you, old boys are thinning out, I went to Jerry Colemans funeral a few weeks ago.

I ran over a brute on the up relief at Reading when running in with a cross country back in the mid 70's. Thankfully that was class 47 one brute nil!
 
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