Does Anyone Know Where or When?

[oldravendale]

Here's another. This time from a collection I bought a while back but with no history. It's a really good photo with loads of detail and it'd be good to be able to add some information.

Initially, for no other reason than I'd have rather liked it to be, I thought these might have been the two Fairburn tanks for the Lakeside and Haverthwaite Railway, but I'm pretty sure these are Stanier 2-6-4 tanks - they are certainly not Fairburns. As for location, well, I suspect it's a major works judging by the two large boilers in the background. If there are any other photos out there the give away is probably the effort which has clearly been made to start cleaning one of the locos. I note that the leading loco carries a lamp which suggests that they probably reached their location under their own steam.

As for date, I'd guess mid '60s. Despite the obvious extensive rust on the smokebox and chimney these locos don't look derelict enough for scrap - yet - but the wholesale scrapping of perfectly serviceable locos at around this time is really no guidance.



Anyone with any ideas about this?

Brian

 

[mickoo]

Fairly sure it's Doncaster with the scrap area in the background, will need to dig through some photos to be sure. Two other options are Darlington or that scrap yard in Scotland that took all sorts of engines from all regions, a ship yard or steel works or something. It could also be Crewe where a couple of A4 were hashed about to put a good boiler on one of the soon to be preserved ones but I can't find any reference to any new buildings going up at Crewe works in the 60's.

The give away are the two boilers in the background, they're LNER round topped fireboxes.

The new building should be an easy item to reference.

MD

 

[Eastsidepilot]

Think it is Doncaster, and yes they are Stanier 3 cyl. tanks, the tell tale is the inclination of the cylinders, limousine cab and the motion plate is the reverse way round to the 2 cyl. jobs.
Same building here at Doncaster.

Col.

 

[mickoo]

If they're LTS engines that'd make sense, didn't Tilbury and Shoeburyness come under ER authority at some point.

MD

 

[Eastsidepilot]

If they're LTS engines that'd make sense, didn't Tilbury and Shoeburyness come under ER authority at some point.

MD

Yes I think so Mick, I have the info. somewhere. If I find it I'll post.

Col.

 

[Eastsidepilot]

Here's what they would've looked like in colour



One I made earlier

Col.

 

[Heather Kay]

I remember taking that piccie. Lovely model, but lacking the stack of cinders under the smokebox door!

 

[Eastsidepilot]

I remember taking that piccie. Lovely model, but lacking the stack of cinders under the smokebox door!

Yes , excellent photography Heather , ....do you think Brian new something in advance when he took that shot back when I was a kid

Col.

 

[2-Bil]

Dear Old R
As this Threads come to life again i wonder if you saw that photo of 3737 at Weymouth (ref my earlier post )??
Brian W aka 2-Bil

 

[oldravendale]

Thanks all for your help. Thanks too for cleaning up the cinders under the smokebox door. And at least I now know that the front loco is 42513. I never saw any of the 3-cylinder Stanier locos, but I did see their replacements, the Standard 4 tanks. When they were transferred away they were in appalling condition.

I'm sure my photo is at Doncaster. And if that is, indeed, large loco boilers for scrap the date of mid '60s is probably about right, if not a bit late.

I must admit that I've not looked up the photo of 3737 yet, Brian. Those will be useful references though.

Brian

 

[2-Bil]

Good for Reference and Definatly good for a wander .
Oh and now im here i may as well ask (as you nailed 3737 !) i wonder if you've any photos in your archive of a 2-Nol emu? specifically its under frame detail .I've plenty of the cab and roof but the u/frame is ALWAYS in eclipse !!
Wishing you and yours Well
Brian W aka 2-Bil

 

[oldravendale]

I'm really sorry, Brian, but nothing in the way of electric units at all. When I was taking railway photos steam came first, diesel locos very much second, and DMUs if I had any film left over.

You may well get some help from others on this site, though.

Brian

 

[daifly]

I've no idea where this came from.
It claims to be taken at Weymouth in Sept 1964. The shedplate appears to be 71G (Weymouth Feb58 - Aug63 which became 70G in Sept 1963). The loco was also allocated to Treherbert briefly in Jul63 before moving to Gloucester Horton Road the following month. The BR Standards behind point to the photo being taken at Weymouth but there's no sign of a bell on the fireman's side (the usual side for fitting at Weymouth).
Dave

 

[2-Bil]

Thanks anyway Brian
The next "Hens Tooth" is a sign displaying the word Waterloo (letters and direction arrow fixed onto a tubular frame)It was maybe 200 yards beyond the stations throat.Ive 3 photos,thought id find more and haven't.Id imagined more photographers using it as a"prop" in their "compositions" .Maybe their passes restricted them from that part of the line??If any WTer can help with a"rummage round their archives" id be grateful.OH ,one last thing.....
QUESTION--How common were Bi-Coloured verandas on Brake vans in the early 60s?Theres a very clear colour photo of a "mixed train" working on HAYLING ISLAND in "Southern Colour in the Sixties" by Terry Cole (page 46-7).The vans a D1890 ex LMS 20 tonner.Painted grey without ,the veranda is carmine up to the bottom of the window frames and cream above.Ive also seen " two-tone"schemes on other Regions Brake Vans .Was it a flourish of individuality from some Works Paint Shop or something more mundane???
Someone out theres got the answer!Can i have it too..............please.
Regards to all WTers
Brian W aka 2-Bil

 

[mickoo]

Brian, wasn't ignoring your PM, I've five etches that must go tonight to make delivery and allow build time before Kettering, two of them are huge

I'm fairly sure BRILL did something on that sign or had better photos, maybe one of the other mags or books, but it'll take time to wade through all of them to find those shots.

If anyone else has any photos, feel free to post up though

MD

 

[2-Bil]

Dear Daifly
The photo of 3737 with its bell is on Gricerman Flickr .The Album is Western Steam-Br page 2.Leastways it was there a MINUTE ago!!
The" September 1964" claim is useful reminder to "be cautious with captions".One of the large photo libraries has a shot of BofB CROYDON, its dated 1959 but the crankpins its "wearing"went in 1957!Not really the librarys fault given the quantity of material it holds ,just another example of error tis all.Anyway thanks for the image of 3737 "sans" bell its one i haven't seen.
Best Regards
2-Bil

 

[2-Bil]

DearMD
Perish the thought!!I think i get the Message bout HUGE Etches .....Ill dust off my old BRILLS too and have good "rummage" when the mood takes hold!Meantime ill continue making enquiries on WT.
Wishing You & Yours Well
Brian w aka etc etc

 

[oldravendale]

I'm now in to Photoshopping a succession of "Unknown" photos. Unknown locos, unknown places and unknown times. Here's the first.



The loco is clearly an A4. The car behind the washing line is, I think, a Vauxhall - a Velox I reckon. There's a small viaduct the loco is about to pass over, and that's over a road which is certain because of the advertising hoarding.

The date looks likely to be late 1950s - possibly early 1960s.

Does anyone have any thoughts about location and anything else which will narrow the date?

Brian

 

[adrian]

I could be completely off the mark but I seem to remember a very very similar photo on here or RMWeb last year and that turned out to be the Scottish Borders if I remember correctly. That's going to bug me now until I find it - thanks!

 

[oldravendale]

Oops. There might be some embarrassment to come! I guess it might be one of mine and I've forgotten to update the info. Or perhaps no-one is actually certain.

I'll do a search of my earlier posts.......

Brian