Prototype Dundalk Newry and Greenore Railway

Discussion in 'Gallery' started by Mike W, 14 June 2019.

  1. Mike W

    Mike W Western Thunderer

    As requested on another thread this one one can discuss the DNGR - a wholly owned subsidiary of the LNWR in Ireland. This is the first part of the wagon diagram book, a copy of which I obtained from Kew about 30 years ago at RAIL 162/21. I only noticed recently that I don't have a copy of the contents page, but have two copies of D1 instead, but it doesn't really matter because there are only ten pages in the book, plus the cover. Here are the first five:

    (attachments deleted 16th June as better copies posted below)
     
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  2. Mike W

    Mike W Western Thunderer

    Sorry - didn't realise that the file names would not be displayed. These are D1 to D5 in sequence.

    Mike
     
  3. AndyB

    AndyB Western Thunderer

    Mike - can I suggest that the colours of your scans are inverted?
    Would make printing easier for people.
    If you don't have the technology, wizz the original files over to me and I'll do it for you.

    Andy
     
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  4. Mike W

    Mike W Western Thunderer

    Thanks Andy. Will do when I've scanned the remaining few.
     
  5. AndyB

    AndyB Western Thunderer

    Mike's files - inverted and cleaned up as necessary.
    In reverse order...
    D10 - Brake Van
    DNGR D10.jpg
    D9 - Cattle Wagon
    DNGR D9.jpg
    D8 - Covered Goods Wagon
    DNGR D8.jpg
    D7 - Covered Goods Wagon
    DNGR D7.jpg
    D6 - Timber Wagon
    DNGR D6.jpg
    D5 - Ballast Wagon 10T
    DNGR D5.jpg
    D4 - Ballast Wagon 7T
    DNGR D4.jpg
    D3 - Loco Coal Wagon
    DNGR D3.jpg
    D2 - Coal Wagon
    DNGR D2.jpg
    D1 - 7T Open
    DNGR D1.jpg

    Andy
     
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  6. Mike W

    Mike W Western Thunderer

    Thanks Andy. As you might expect, most have exact equivalents in the LNWR diagram book except that these are wider. That ballast wagon interested me at the time because it was shorter and I assume the design lasted in Ireland after it had become extinct in England. There are pictures of some of these DNGR types, but so far as I am aware not all.

    Mike
     
  7. Mike W

    Mike W Western Thunderer

    The post-1890 DNGR carriages are covered by the LNWRS publication on 30ft 1in stock and all I know of the earlier carriages is that the brake vans look to be 26ft. There is a Crewe GA of one of the locomotives which I think was rebuilt from a DX Goods. So, for anyone wanting to model this line there are possible aids available.

    Mike
     
  8. Overseer

    Overseer Western Thunderer

    Thanks Mike, very useful. It looks like this copy of the diagram book wasn't updated as I think there were some later wagon types in use before the goods stock was transferred to the NCC in 1932 when the GN took over operation. The carriage stock appears in lots of photos, especially the 30'1" stock and the LNWRS book is very useful. The earlier carriages were sold off to other railways and often lasted another 50 years in service so there are photos but it is a case of working out which carriages are ex-DN&GR. There were also a couple of generations of bogie stock used on longer distance trains which from memory were transferred to the NCC as well.
     
  9. Mike W

    Mike W Western Thunderer

    And Oversear, don't for get the superb preserved carriage in Ulster. I have not managed to see this yet, but from photographs it looks very original and we are copying some details of the interior, notably luggage rack brackets, for an LNWR carriage restoration.

    Mike
     
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  10. Overseer

    Overseer Western Thunderer

    The carriage at Cultra is well worth a trip to see for anyone interested in LNWR carriages.

    It looks like all the goods stock, apart from the diagram 4 ballast wagon, have direct equivalents in the LNWR diagram book. Certainly makes building models easier as good photos are available of the LNWR versions.
     
  11. Overseer

    Overseer Western Thunderer

    One of very few photos I have seen showing any detail of DNGR goods rolling stock is a HC Casserley photograph taken at Greenore Station on 4 June 1932 which is included in 'Lost Railways of Dundalk and the North East' by Stephen Johnson published by Stenlake Publishing. This is a scan of one corner of the published photo.
    Greenore wagons.jpg
    It would be good to see any other photos taken during that trip, or a better scan of this one to see if more detail can be made out. Note the livery is still the pre 1909 diamonds only with the ownership shown on the numberplate. It looks like two Diag 1 opens and three Diag 3 Loco Coal Wagons but the second one could be a Diag 4 coal wagon. Note no 'LOCO' lettering on any of the wagons which they would have had on the LNWR.
     
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