Finescale - of a sort?!

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Western Thunderer
The car exhaust story gave me a real laugh out loud Peter! Excellent!

Reminds me of when a mate's girlfriends car fan belt broke. I said 'off with your tights!' Wrapped them around the pulleys. I stood back to triumphantly admire my ingenious repair. She started the car up and the shredded tights shot high in the air and over a fence in to someone's garden....

Regards
Tony
 

Bagpuss

Western Thunderer
Peter I have made a few 16mm locomotives and rolling stock. Some scratch built and a few from kits Have sold them all apart from my Lister 2 foot gauge engine, I got as a wreck from a 16mm railway fan, who was not to good at kits! and had droped it. It has had a rebuild.
I have posted a photo as a bit of fun it is been operated by a rabbit. I enjoy buiding the Locos and wagons more than the raiway, so have never got round to having raiway to run them on!20181017_173218.jpg
 

Peter Insole

Western Thunderer
Splendid wagon and Lister Bagpuss! Glad to see you have one of those delightful Airfix " "Anti-Pesto" vans as well. I have yet to make a start on mine!

I am in much the same boat as you in having no railway, although I did have a very basic back garden line on timber trestles many moons ago!

I do miss the cathartic effect of spending a few minutes walking the route with a small hammer, nail punch and an old screwdriver in hand, checking rail alignment, driving spikes back down and tightening the odd fishplate from time to time when life was a bit too stressful. I rarely got round to running a train at all - but it didn't seem to matter!

Sadly, a gale blew one of our fences down one day and destroyed a significant section of the track. After salvaging the materials it became yet another of those "one day I'll get round to fixing it" jobs!

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Here is one of the only photos I ever took of it as well. It was the last short remaining section of trackbed left in situ and had only survived by acting as a shelf to store some timber off the ground.

Pete.
 
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Bagpuss

Western Thunderer
Pete thats a sad picture, its a bit like looking at a disused railway! I made the wagon from a very basic Lazer cut mdf Kit and then used cut up biscuit tin and to get the riveted look, I punch them in from the back I also added a working brake the shoe is on the other side. I made the Anti-Pesto" van about 10 years ago with the help of my daughter when she was still at school. We bothe liked Wallace and Gromit I also have the Shaun the Sheep tractor but I have still a little to do finish it. I have somthing like 100 foot of SM32 track that I bought from some one who was changing gauge to 45mm. The plan was to make a garden railway but I cant decide how best to fit it in to the garden as the lay out of the garden makes it dificult to get much of a run. Also thinking of moving house so another excuse not buid the raiway! I have included a photo of another of my Locomotives that I no longer have. It is shown running on a temporary track.
the engine is a Hunslet style similar to Blanche as now on the Ffestiniog raliway. It was another that I bought cheep and did up it is battery powerd with the battery in the tender. The other photo shows it on a friends railway with a Troll as the driver unfortunatley the Troll has dispensed with it uniform! You will have to forgive my tendency to have strange engine drivers.20181013_134426.jpg20180912_143509.jpg
 

Bagpuss

Western Thunderer
Steam outline battery locomotives in 16mm dont seem to be around much any more.
!6mm folk are all mad an live steam I find.
 

Peter Insole

Western Thunderer
Having been there and got the T-shirt, I do understand that thing about live steam. But then just look at what I have found myself building: A monster size, steam outline, battery powered thing to run on either the carpet indoors or out in the garden...!

Just a quick update before dashing out to work...

At the weekend I applied for - and received full planning consent for a more permanent stabling point:

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Big smiles all round!

We now have somewhere to put all the Grandchildren's entertainment materials, with a special place on top for when they get bigger!

I have promised to get some of those coloured box things that fit in the cubes to make it nice and tidy later!

Pete.
 

Bagpuss

Western Thunderer
Peter Thats a great place to keep the engine with the toys, I too have dabbled with steam engines and locos but some how I lose interest in them and end-up selling them again, but at least I have not lost money on them!
Your Little loco is looking so good. I am enjoying seeing your progress.
 

Tom Insole

Western Thunderer
Splendid wagon and Lister Bagpuss! Glad to see you have one of those delightful Airfix " "Anti-Pesto" vans as well. I have yet to make a start on mine!

I am in much the same boat as you in having no railway, although I did have a very basic back garden line on timber trestles many moons ago!

I do miss the cathartic effect of spending a few minutes walking the route with a small hammer, nail punch and an old screwdriver in hand, checking rail alignment, driving spikes back down and tightening the odd fishplate from time to time when life was a bit too stressful. I rarely got round to running a train at all - but it didn't seem to matter!

Sadly, a gale blew one of our fences down one day and destroyed a significant section of the track. After salvaging the materials it became yet another of those "one day I'll get round to fixing it" jobs!

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Here is one of the only photos I ever took of it as well. It was the last short remaining section of trackbed left in situ and had only survived by acting as a shelf to store some timber off the ground.

Pete.


It's funny I always seem to find this one photo I have of the old track from when I was a resident of the Hill still...
Nathan looks nothing like that these days ;) Many happy memories of watching both Dumpy trundle round slowly with wagons and Winjoy puff around in circles!!

(Storage looks good too!)
 

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Peter Insole

Western Thunderer
Ho, ho, I didn't know you had that shot Tom! Ah, memories indeed! Good to see the old, complete six coach Rheidol set that used to chase it's own tail round the circuit! There too is part of the footbridge that had a real smoke stain under the deck from a coal fired TME, GWR Rheidol No.9 that used to visit the line regularly!

Those were the happiest days!

I'm afraid none of us look like we did back then!

Pete.
 

Peter Insole

Western Thunderer
Oh dear, I cannot believe it has been just over a year since I last put a post up on this thread?

Regrettably, there has not been much progress to report, but courtesy of my voluntary confinement, now is probably a good time for a catch-up!

Love Lane workshops have been suspended for the time being, so the ongoing bridge paint and installation is also on hold. On the last occasion that we all met, (unaware then that it would be) someone decided that we needed a short length of post and wire boundary fencing. Precisely what type would be appropriate though..?

It is funny how something so common and mundane raises so many questions when details are required?

Apart from the familiar concrete post variety favoured by the LNER and BR, the old Great Eastern appear to have preferred upended sleepers, cut to a weathered point at the tops, and with at least six wires stretched between. I also recall that there was a type that used steel H channel section, drilled for the wires, and hammered into the ground, with some braced sleeper posts only at intervals for tensioning. I assured those interested that I knew where there was a short length of that latter type that was remarkably still in situ, and that I could easily nip out and measure it for reference before the next meeting!


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Being told that we are still allowed to take a dog for a walk, but not having such an animal available, I escorted a tape measure and camera into the spring sunshine for a little exercise!

Time (and nature) waits for no man, and you might correctly guess that after crashing around in the shrubbery, only a lonely couple of bits could be found at all. Both were corroded right through at the base, but still had some very fragile remains of tangled wire threaded through some of the holes. Those sad remnants would clearly not last much longer in the wild, so I decided that in the interests of historical research, that it was necessary to return home with a couple of rather weighty walking sticks!

The big surprise was what they were made of however.

It also just happens that they fit very neatly underneath the "Little Engine" as well!

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World War One, portable trench rail methinks...?

There must of been many hundreds, nay, possibly even thousands of miles of the stuff as Government surplus after 1918, and so absolutely ideal for exhausted railway companies to keep their fences in repair...?!

Pete.
 

Overseer

Western Thunderer
World War One, portable trench rail methinks...?

There must of been many hundreds, nay, possibly even thousands of miles of the stuff as Government surplus after 1918, and so absolutely ideal for exhausted railway companies to keep their fences in repair...?!

Pete.
I think not. It looks like a proprietary rolled wrought iron fence post, an early form of the current day star stake. They could well be earlier than WW1 as there were numerous firms manufacturing 'estate fences' and similar moveable iron railings and fences through the second half of the 19th Century. You might be able to track down the manufacturer though contemporary advertisements and catalogues. I will check if I have anything relevant in the office from writing reports about estate fences. The WW1 trench rails looked more like normally proportioned small flat bottom rail (which it was) and probably heavier than your pieces.
 

Peter Insole

Western Thunderer
Thank you Overseer, that is interesting!

It didn't take long to find this perfect example of the type you described:

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Despite an earlier and unsuccessful search for any military specifications, I was perhaps fooled by attempting to scale from the photo below;

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Taking the assumed 60cm gauge, and allowing for a slightly offset viewpoint, I calculated that the foot, a notably narrow one by comparison with the head on a more conventional flat bottomed rail, was no more than an inch and a half wide. From the visible fixings, the rail also appears to have quite a steep slope up to the web. both features convinced me of a potential match with the profile of my acquisition?!

I know that I could be accused of looking for evidence to prove a theory, rather than forming a theory based on the evidence, but could it be possible that the War Dept., adapted a product from established suppliers for that particularly lightweight application?

Although it is no more than academic anyway, and has no bearing at all on finding the most suitable material for a section of 7mm scale fence, I just cannot resist the lure of learning something new!

Pete.
 

SimonT

Western Thunderer
Peter,
a very suitable rabbit hole for this subject is provided by the WDLR Album and the WDLR Companion, both by Roy Link and published by RCL Publications. Mine came from that book place in Bath.
There is extensive coverage of the track work and from this we can learn that the War Office started using 9lb track (1 5/8" base, 1 3/4" tall) this was replaced briefly by 16 lb track (2" by 2 3/8") which was quickly replaced by 20lb rail (2 1/4" by 2 1/2") which became the standard. There are cross sections in the book. Hudsons supplied large amounts of the 20 lb track in sections.
I go to the Somme a couple of times a year and you see masses of the proprietary rolled wrought iron fence posts described by Faser and I have also seen some 9lb rail in use for fencing and some 20lb being used as corner posts, usually without strainer posts. My mates delight in pointing out the rail posts, I delight in not telling them that they are fence posts.

My copies of the books will be coming out in the following weeks and I heartily recommend them.
Simon
 
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