G3 LSWR Open wagon kit

jamiepage

Western Thunderer
Finished, I think.
A shot of the underside arrangements.
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It is supposed to look like a wagon with a few years service (which excuses the body side distortion!) but not long after a repaint.
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As said before, it is an excellent kit. A few own goals which needed attention, including the very last operation. A cotton bud with gun blue was rubbed around each tyre tread in turn to tone them down. Three behaved as expected but the fourth must have been turned from stronger stuff because it remains hideously bright. A few other blacking concoctions to hand wouldn't touch it either so I wish I had thought to do it earlier in the build.
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AndyB

Western Thunderer
I'm resurrecting an old thread as I'm just getting back to my build of this kit.
On re-inspecting photos in the various books on Southern wagons, the lashing points for the tarpaulin ropes didn't look like rings - but not like anything else I'd seen either.
After a bit of web searching, I found a better picture:
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The circled items look to be a kind of cleat-plate arrangement - but I can't be too sure of the dimensions or constructional details. In G3, they are quite a significant detail.

This wagon resides at Broadway - Steaming to Broadway!: Saturday 3rd March 2012 which is quite a trek for me!
So I wonder if there are any Thunderers who are local to Broadway and could possibly provide some details. A dimensioned sketch and a few close-up pictures would be ideal.

Thanks in anticipation...

Andy
 

Dog Star

Western Thunderer
The circled items look to be a kind of cleat-plate arrangement - but I can't be too sure of the dimensions or constructional details. In G3, they are quite a significant detail.
What you are highlighting are sheet reeves - or at least that is the name by which I know the fittings. The MR used them on the solebars of their opens and I have included same on my 7mm models. Picture two flattish cones placed "point-to-point" and then secure to the woodwork by a bolt through both cones (although the wagon in the picture appears to have a deluxe version with a triangular base plate).

The sheet (aka rope) is wound once around the groove made by the flattened cones and then pulled tight into the groove.
 

jamiepage

Western Thunderer
Andy,
Most photos I have do show open wagons fitted with those cleats, both pre- grouping and subsequently. I couldn't think of an easy way to make a few to be honest, so looked for a cop out.
Fortunately (!), wagon 10075 was photographed pre- grouping fitted with ordinary lashing rings. 'Southern Wagons Pictorial' has a drawing (based on a poor photo) of 867 also fitted with lashing rings, so I took those as sufficient excuse.
However, these were definitely the exceptions amongst the photos I have.
Could you etch them, maybe?
I'm making a body moulding for the similar wagon diagram with conventional corner plates and I've not seen evidence of anything other than the cleats on those.
Jamie
 

Steph Dale

Western Thunderer
I suspect that whacking some suitable sheet material with a centre-punch would get you about 4/5ths of the way to what you need with out any complex tooling...

Steph
 

Jon Nazareth

Western Thunderer
Lovely job Jamie.
That is very nice fine chain you've used on the door retainer pins - where did you get it from, please?
Andy

I've just ordered some 28 links per inch and some 42 links per inch blackened chain from 'modellingtimbers'. Hurry while stocks last as Keith Jewell will soon be closing due to ill health. Keith tells me that all of the links are 'welded'.

Jon
 
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