2mm Holywell Town.

[adrian]

Will you have to scratchbuild the motive power?

Some of it will have to be scratch built. Specifically the LNWR 2-4-2T and 0-6-2T, fortunately no outside valve gear and the wheels are available from the 2mm stores. That's one thing I've noticed quickly with 2mmFS it's dead easy to scale dimension (compared to 7mm anyway!) whatever the dimensions are in feet then double it and that's your answer in mm. So for the coal tank drivers are 4' 5 1/2", near enough 4.5 ft, double it to get 9mm - look at the stores list 9mm h-spoke drivers - that'll do for me.

There is a replacement chassis kit for the Ivatt 2-6-2T from Dapol. However I don't know whether my reputation can stand it but just to get things moving I bought a Farish Class 24. Might be a bit too far to post a photo but it's as close to RTR as you can get on 2mmFS, 5 minutes to drop in a set of wheels from the 2mmFS association, at least it'll have a PMV to lug around now.

 

[Steve Cook]

However I don't know whether my reputation can stand it but just to get things moving I bought a Farish Class 24. Might be a bit too far to post a photo but it's as close to RTR as you can get on 2mmFS, 5 minutes to drop in a set of wheels from the 2mmFS association, at least it'll have a PMV to lug around now.

Nothing to be ashamed of, sounds awfully familiar...
Steve

 

[Scale7JB]

I'm constantly in awe of 2mm fs, I really don't think I could do it... But it should work well for the layout..

It is a shame though I was looking forward to a new 7mm layout.. I must admit, when you said that you had cleared a bit of space, I did think it must be quite a large room!

JB.

 

[geoff_nicholls]

I feel obliged to point out that all those wagons (and more) and the locos (or parts for them) are readily available in gauge 3 from Mike Williams' range. You might need to trim down the layout to just one side of the bridge though. The push pull train would occupy less than 6 feet, even in that scale.

 

[40126]

@adrian pics of Farish class 24 please ?.

Steve

 

[adrian]

@adrian pics of Farish class 24 please ?.
Steve

Apologies I'd forgotten about this request - wasn't sure where to post it so just used it here as a test
http://www.westernthunder.co.uk/index.php?threads/forum-wonky.4217/#post-111938

It's a lot harder to get good photo's when they get this small!

 

[jbail]

The picture shows one form of interlacing, another has the interlaced timbers in that part of the turnout where the stock and switch/closure rails are supported with narrow chairs. If you are setting the time period as circa 1912 then I feel that the LNWR would have stopped using 14" wide timbers throughout a turnout and used 12" timbering for a new piece of work. Maybe the interlaced timbering shown in the photo was the PW office feeling its way with the recent changes in turnout practice.

Whilst I have not seen the LNWR PW books mentioned earlier I understand that the books are based upon copies of the standard layouts / parts catalogues of 1909 and 1916 so the 1909 version is the more suitable for you. Just do not expect to see references to "A", "B", ... switches as everything is given in imperial measurements,

None of the photos I have suggest interlacing and I do not know of any instance where the LNWR used them. Such timbering does not appear in the PW drawings book that I have.

 

[Dog Star]

None of the photos I have suggest interlacing and I do not know of any instance where the LNWR used them. Such timbering does not appear in the PW drawings book that I have.

A L&NWR drawing of an interlaced turnout appeared on RMWeb about three years back... ok, drawings on paper do not mean that such got built. So try this:-

http://www.warwickshirerailways.com/lms/lnwrstfd1343.htm

This photo shows interlaced timbering in the Edwardian period and the location is the West Coast Main Line.

 

[jbail]

A L&NWR drawing of an interlaced turnout appeared on RMWeb about three years back... ok, drawings on paper do not mean that such got built. So try this:-

http://www.warwickshirerailways.com/lms/lnwrstfd1343.htm

This photo shows interlaced timbering in the Edwardian period and the location is the West Coast Main Line.

Apologies , your photo sources are better than mine !
I cant see any interlacing on the Holywell photos.

 

[Mike W]

My brother Bob models 2mm FS and says there have been mutterings about reducing the LRM LNWR Coal Tank down to 2mm, which would be ideal for Holywell Town.

Mike

 

[Steve Sykes]

Nick Tilston at N Brass does lost wax castings for the chimney, dome and other bits for the Coal Tank.

Steve

 

[Dog Star]

I cant see any interlacing on the Holywell photos.

No problems - I looked at over 2000 photos of LNWR scenes, on the web, to find maybe ten or so which were useful when setting out the PW for Hartley Hill.

As to Holywell, Adrian's first post includes a "LNWR era" scene from the headshunt and there are a couple of interlaced timbers visible just before the common crossing.

 

[adrian]

mutterings about reducing the LRM LNWR Coal Tank down to 2mm

Nick Tilston at N Brass does lost wax castings for the chimney, dome and other bits for the Coal Tank

Thanks for the info I'll follow them up.

there are a couple of interlaced timbers visible just before the common crossing.

They're not that obvious - zoom in on the headshunt shows some limited interlacing.

 

[Len Cattley]

Hi Adrian, I think you must have very good eye-sight to model 2mm It's to small for my squinty eyes

Len

 

[queensquare]

So yes it will be 2mmFS - but keep it quiet otherwise I'll never hear the last of it from Jerry.

!

Must admit I don't look round WT very often these days (ask Simon!!) but decide to have a quick roam over my lunchtime bowl of soap and discover another 7mm modeller who is giving 2FS a try. What a fabulous project Adrian and early 1920s is right up my street.
My only piece of advice would be remember its 2mm, not 7mm. It's more than just a difference in scale, it's a different approach completely.
The thread is on my watched list now so I won't miss a thing)

Jerry

 

[jbail]

No problems - I looked at over 2000 photos of LNWR scenes, on the web, to find maybe ten or so which were useful when setting out the PW for Hartley Hill.

As to Holywell, Adrian's first post includes a "LNWR era" scene from the headshunt and there are a couple of interlaced timbers visible just before the common crossing.

I see what you mean. A closer look at the LNWR 1909 PW drawings shows the possibility of having to alter the position of some chairs a couple of timbers after the last block chairs of the switch assembly implying the possible need for interlaced timbers. This is much further from the crossing nose than the photo suggests.
I have scanned the relevant bit of the drawing but unsure how to get it on here.

 

[jbail]

 

[adrian]

I have scanned the relevant bit of the drawing

Thanks for the info.

I think you must have very good eye-sight to model 2mm It's to small for my squinty eyes

To be honest the physical size of the bits of metal I'm cutting and soldering aren't that much different - I was using a magnifying lamp even for my 7mm stuff! The two other benefits I've noticed is I don't need to clear as big a space on my workbench to get modelling. and cleaning up seems quicker as it's a smaller area!

My only piece of advice would be remember its 2mm, not 7mm. It's more than just a difference in scale, it's a different approach completely.

Thanks for that - you're not the first to to say that and I suspect you won't be the last, I think in some way I'm hoping it will be something completely different and I can't let you escape that easily - I was hoping for more advice when I get stuck. For example recommended height for DG couplings - I'm sure I've seen something written down somewhere but damned if I can find it now.

As my research studies continue I've managed to find another great resource which has unearthed another new photo with new details.
The site is http://www.archive-images.co.uk with a mixture of railway, road, aviation and social images etc.

The prices may appear steep at £15 per download, especially if you find a few of interest. However they do say

download a high-res image file for a single PayPal payment and print or publish without restriction...

So this is what I found for Holywell Town. This has got to be the best image I have found to date for the detailing, the PW, point rodding and the luggage lift on the side of the bridge etc.

 

[queensquare]

DG couplings, 4.5 mm to the underside of the rubbing plate

Jerry

 

[JimG]

I wonder if any passenger carrying stock ever entered that turnout in a facing direction to require a facing point lock?

Jim.