I might just give it a go

john lewsey

john lewsey

Western Thunderer
Thanks guys the one thing I may do as well is get Colin (eastsidepilot pilot) to fine tune the Slaters wagon wheels to make them a bit finer . If you really want to see some nice pre group wagons have a look at Mike Osbornes S7 scratch building on rmweb amazing
 
Mike W

Mike W

Western Thunderer
That is a super wagon to start with John. A bit different and unlikely somebody will produce a kit just as you finish it.

Can't quite see what the axleboxes look like, but are commercial buffers available anything like those?

Mike
 
Dog Star

Dog Star

Western Thunderer
Michael Osborne said:
John, I think Richard Davidson made the wagon in your photograph....

When I say he made this wagon, I do mean he made everything including the wheels....
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Mike,

I agree with you about Richard Davidson and his approach to wagon building, "everything including the wheels" is a very apt description of his work. Where I feel unsure about agreeing with you is in regard to the PO of the wagon - when Richard has written about his modelling there has been a Scottish flavour to the prototypes and often from the area around Edinburgh, the PO shown in John's photos is from Little Hulton in the Manchester area.

Fraser (@Overseer), as one with interests from up there and from earlier eras, what can you say about either the wagon or Richard's modelling interests?

Mind you, maybe I am off-beam a bit.... maybe Richard built the model for another (S7?) modeller? For example:- did Richard build the model for Tony Watts?

regards, Graham
 
Overseer

Overseer

Western Thunderer
Dog Star said:
Mike,

I agree with you about Richard Davidson and his approach to wagon building, "everything including the wheels" is a very apt description of his work. Where I feel unsure about agreeing with you is in regard to the PO of the wagon - when Richard has written about his modelling there has been a Scottish flavour to the prototypes and often from the area around Edinburgh, the PO shown in John's photos is from Little Hulton in the Manchester area.

Fraser (@Overseer), as one with interests from up there and from earlier eras, what can you say about either the wagon or Richard's modelling interests?

Mind you, maybe I am off-beam a bit.... maybe Richard built the model for another (S7?) modeller? For example:- did Richard build the model for Tony Watts?

regards, Graham
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It does look like one of Richard's wagons. He does have Scottish interests, but has also built a lot of English wagons over the last 40 or 50 years, all to exact scale. Availability of enough information to be able to produce an accurate model often determining the choice of prototype. The wheels are the real stand out feature of all his wagons, the scratch built split spoke wheels with thin tyres look much better on early stock than standard S7 Slaters wheels for example. I don't recall this actual wagon but I haven't been to his place for quite a few years.

I sent Richard an email to ask, but it has bounced back.
 
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Osgood

Osgood

Western Thunderer
So Slaters spoked wagon wheels have an over-width centre (the same centre as FS?), but with a scale thickness tyre?
Or is the tyre overwidth too?
 
Dog Star

Dog Star

Western Thunderer
Osgood said:
So Slaters spoked wagon wheels have an over-width centre ... , but with a scale thickness tyre? Or is the tyre overwidth too?
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Not necessarily so Tony.

The accepted wisdom of wheel "dimensions" changed throughout the late 19th / early 20th centuries and maybe the evolving RCH specifications had something to do with those changes. What the above model shows is that methods of construction and tyre / rim thickness (and possibly width) for contemporary wagons are different to what Slaters considered as a "typical" wagon wheel of the twentieth century. The same can be said for the GER wagon wheel which has a bolted ring to support the outer end of split spokes (cue photo from Ragstone Models (@Ragstone Andy) ).

If a manufacturer can offer a split spoke wheel, with the through rim fixings for the tyre, that has the more-open appearance of a late 19th century wheel then I shall be in the queue for some.

In passing, in my role as S7 Group Trade Liaison Officer, I have been talking to David White (Slaters Plastikard) about including the tyre fixing bolts in some of the locomotive / tender wheels which are being considered by the S7 Group at this time.
 
Osgood

Osgood

Western Thunderer
Not a simple subject then - thanks Graham.
The only info I have relates to RCH 1906 specs for tank wagons.
Here are some drawings for the 12T Tank wagon (open wrought iron spoke) - the 20T spec looks pretty nearly identical.

EDIT: I forgot to advise that the RCH spec for tank wagons is higher than for ordinary wagons - the 12T open spoke drawing states "For 12T Tank Wagons and 15T & 30T Ordinary Wagons".

It would be interesting to compare with a 8T / 12T ordinary wagon wheel spec.

12T tank 2.JPG 12T tank 3.JPG 12T tank1.JPG
 
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