From Llangunllo to Llanbister Rd.

Jordan

Mid-Western Thunderer
Geoff said:
The row of cottages below started of as a cereal packet and in the end were modelled in perspective....

That's interesting, Geoff, and very effective too, since they also look right from the 'other' direction; i.e.  against the perspective, it seems, from this pic you posted earlier...
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westernfan

Western Thunderer
Its so realistic Geoff , excellent images . I too agree on the juggling  about of the buildings to get a feel and some ideas. re your creamery thats some thing im working out for my layout . Im going to require four sidings to mange empty,loading ,loaded and a head shunt . so thats Three dairy dioramas on the go on this forum. What buffer beam detailing kit did you use on your bubble car ?

Chris westernfan
 

Geoff

Western Thunderer
Hi everyone,
CME & Bottlewasher said:
hope to get secenic boards underway in the next few weeks

Our philosophies sound very similar :thumbs:

I also like Mr. Rice's books/written work - never seen his layouts in action though.....
I will be looking forward to seeing the scenic boards CME, as it will be interesting to see what you come up with.
Good to see another Rice fan here, I too enjoyed his writing style and found it both informative and entertaining.
I had the pleasure of seeing his layout "Wolverstone" in action when new at a Scalefour society event....1984 I think it was ?


Jordan said:
That's interesting, Geoff, and very effective too, since they also look right from the 'other' direction; i.e.  against the perspective, it seems, from the pic you posted earlier...

Hi Jordan,
Not many people have noticed this, I must have picked the idea up from either the articles of Jack Nelson, Arthur Whitehead or Alex Bowie. All were past masters of perspective modelling in one form or another, ........so how does it work ?
Well take a look at the attached photo, ignore the wonky signal it wasn't in place properly !!
The first cottage is more or less to scale with just a hint of a rear wall. Actually there isn't room between the backscene to model it or the roof in full.
The next cottage is actually slightly lower in height yet because the lane is rising and the cottage is mounted higher it looks to be around the same height. It's width is also less than the first cottage being a little more than half relief, there being only a very slight hint of the rear roof.
The last cottage though of even less height is modelled a little longer than the other two and because each cottage protrudes slightly more into the lane it has been possible to model it's end elevation much wider. This allows the reverse perspective you mention because as you look down the lane each cottage front elevation now recedes a little behind the one in front which makes them look smaller.......well that is the theory.
The adjustments in dimensions between all three cottages are only very small and it took many attempts to get the correct proportions. In fact I almost gave up and went back to the original plan of having just open countryside.


westernfan said:
Its so realistic Geoff , excellent images . I too agree on the juggling  about of the buildings to get a feel and some ideas. re your creamery thats some thing im working out for my layout . Im going to require four sidings to mange empty,loading ,loaded and a head shunt . so thats Three dairy dioramas on the go on this forum. What buffer beam detailing kit did you use on your bubble car ?


Chris

Cheers Chris,
The photos are taken with a Panasonic Lumix bridge camera, I'm no expert and have more failures than success but feel I am slowly coming to grips with it.
My Creamery will only have one road for cleaning and loading the tanks as space is at a premium. Empty tanks will be stabled in the siding alongside the approach to the station and propelled into the Creamery siding as required. I am currenty improving a few Dapol 6 wheel tanks which are rather basic as well as rebuilding some old Lima versions which are even worse!

The bubble detailing kit is by Craftsman, they also do an etched headcode box if you want to change it. Though etched bogie steps are provided in the kit you only get two pairs, for a WR unit you need an additional pair for the guards compartment. I made mine from Plastikard, if you look at my Chronicles blog you will find my account of modifying the model. Photo attached shows the bubble part complete in Penhydd platform.

Geoff
 

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Geoff

Western Thunderer
CME & Bottlewasher said:
Hi Geoff :wave:

This is the second time that I have written this - the first went off into thin air :headbang: :headbang: :vista: :vista:

Less will have to be more

I would love to use carboard for the buildings yet, even in an integural garage which is quite cosy, I don't think such a medium will survive. I have been experimenting with Foamlux and the possibility of high-density foam for buildings....I have also made a cotswold stone Pt Way hut using Foamlux as a base with weathered stone papers - just for fun and as a suck it and see type thing. I think that carved HD faom will be the way to go though.

When I saw you layout, I thought wow!, this is almost the same as what is in my mind's eye. I love the lighteness of touch, the detail and the lightness of tones too. I believe that - as with my Down Ampney Sidings -your layout will be darker, with stock/locos very down at heel and the general air of the late 1960's and early 1970's to the fore, time will tell - after some experimentation - though.

Spring or Summer seems - as always - preferred, yet if brave enough, autumn also appeals....

Hi CME,
Well it's good to know I am not the only one to send post into cyberspace and know the feeling when you have just composed something and see it vanish ;D



Less can indeed mean more, I have been preaching that for a few years now. Prior to starting Penhydd five years ago I was modelling St. Ives and Carbis Bay in all it's glory. But it was just too big and progress was slow, when we downsized Penhydd was dreamt up and I can honestly say building and operating it has given me more pleasure than anything I had built before. As you say, we need to reined in at times.

The choice of Foamlux is interesting and should prove stable in your garage, will you be making a press for stone / brickwork or scribing by hand ?

Being a child of the fifties I was lucky enough to experience the rural branchlines and have tried to model the run down neglected look I can remember. All too often chocolate box scenes are modelled and with just a few exceptions it wasn't like that. The buildings and stock on Penhydd are all toned down after painting with shades of grey weathering powders which I feel blends everything together.

As for the season to model I find the colours of a late dry summer, early autumn interesting. For me there is something about long sunbleached grass and overgrown railway tracks, the following pics. can perhaps put my ideas across .

Geoff
 

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Geoff

Western Thunderer
Penhydd...........6 Wheel Milk Tank

CME & Bottlewasher said:
Hi Geoff:

We have used Foamlux outside for a number of years now and it is very stable (the viaduct on the H&BLR being a good case in point) - as you probably know it's used in the signage ind.


CME :wave:

Nice viaduct and garden you have there CME, my better half being green fingered thinks the garden layouts here on the forum are lovely and has been taking note of the plants used. Wonder if she is planning a railway, now there's a thought.

Anyway moving on some of might recall mention of me working on some milk tanks for the future Creamery at Penhydd.  Well today the first one rolled out of the workshop, it is a modified Dapol model. I bought a few when they were first released and to be honest I was a little disappointed.  The model has no coupling hooks, vacumn cylinders or pipework which I feel is a little strange for an all new model in this day and age.  At least the brake blocks line up with the EM wheels and once the missing detail is applied I think the result is ok ?

A few photos follow starting with a before and after shot.

Geoff
 

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Geoff

Western Thunderer
Hi Rob,
From the solebar upwards was done in Dirty Black, a little of it was then removed with a cotton bud so just a little of the lettering was visible on the tank. Below the solebars I have used a mix of Brake Dust and Dirty Black, slightly adjusting the mix as I have gone along. Some of this mix has also been brushed upwards from below the tank. A Dull white mixed with dirty thinners was then applied from the area around the tank filler and allowd to run down the tank. Light Rust was then dry brushed over the axle boxes, springs and parts of the solebar. All the paints were from the Precision range being matt or dull.

With the paint stll tacky Shades of Rust weathering powder was brushed over the sole bars and around the underside of the tank. Some powder was also brushed upwards from the bottom of the tank. The white paint streaks had a cream weathering powder applied over them and last of all Shades of Grey powder was brushed over certain areas at selected at random.
Some of the weathering was then removed using a fibreglass brush so just a faint outline of some of the lettering was visible.

Hope that is clear enough ?
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CME & Bottlewasher said:
Hi Geoff :wave:

Looking good :thumbs:

Glad that you detailed the Tanks - yet as you say in this day and age it shouldnt really be required :headbang: :))

Thanks for the kind comments - there is something really great about garden railways, my girlfriend's charges call the H&BLR 'railway world' :))

Just a couple more phots - I hope that your good lady enjoys them..

Cheers,

CME :wave:

Thanks CME I will pass those pics. on to Heather and a spade as well  ;D

Geoff
 
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Graham Powell

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Very nice layout. Beautifully photographed. Reminded me of some of Chris Nevard's work.
Look forward to seeing some more.
rgds
Graham Powell
 

Geoff

Western Thunderer
CME & Bottlewasher said:
Those 6 wheel tanks are a favourite of mine - they cost a small fortune in 7mm  though (doesnt it all?) :))

Can you just remind me where you plan to site the dairy - relative to the track plan?

You track plan - although not the same as the one in my minds eye - is ver akin, just wondering how you will approach adding the dairy? :scratch:

Cheers,
CME :wave:

Hi CME,
There is something about a 6 wheel tank isn't there ?
If you are finding the Slaters kit expensive then you can always join us 4mm scale modellers  ;D  But even then you won't have much change out of ?40 if you buy a David Geen kit and the wheels etc,etc, needed to complete it.

Now the dairy, to begin with it will be made in jigsaw fashion as a storage cassette. The plan being to slide it in place as required, a hidden siding behind the main building will allow a railcar, autotrain or short goods train to be run whilst it is in position. The rough sketch should explain my idea though the building has now been re designed and will feature a modified Dapol platform canopy fitted end on rather than length wise and detailed water tank. The framework will be on top of the board hidden under embankments and the buildings will give additional strength as they will form part of the structure. Imagine an MDF shell clad with Wills brick sheet, the shell being cut out where windows and doors are required.

Why adopt this method you may ask.........well in the grand scheme the layout will hopefully be extended to the next fictional station down the line and the dairy will be part of the new baseboard. If I get my calculations correct the dairy cassette will just slot in saving valuable time and yet can still be used on the existing layout.



iploffy said:
My better half talked me into the garden railway as she said she didn't want it in the house

Ian

I like it ;D

Graham Powell said:
Very nice layout. Beautifully photographed. Reminded me of some of Chris Nevard's work.
Look forward to seeing some more.
rgds
Graham Powell
Thanks Graham,
When I first started posting Penhydd on Rmweb Chris Nevard was kind enough to offer a lot of advice on model photography. He also introduced me to the superb Silflor range of scenics.

Geoff
 

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Graham Powell

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Hi, Chris put some fantastic pictures on the railnuts site. I have one as wallpaper. He put one on in b and w and you would think it was an Ivo Peters
picture instead of a model.
Brilliant
rgds
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Geoff

Western Thunderer
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Graham Powell said:
Hi, Chris put some fantastic pictures on the railnuts site. I have one as wallpaper. He put one on in b and w and you would think it was an Ivo Peters
picture instead of a model.,
Brilliant
rgds
Graham Powell

Chris does indeed turn out some superb work, take a look at this...........http://nevardmedia.blogspot.com/2010/10 ... html I think it is superb, you can almost smell hot oil and steam !!


I also like taking a few shots in black and white, though mine are not in the same league as Mr. Nevard.
Here we have 3217 running into Penhydd with the branch goods.  Fast forward to the sixties and a Hymek is seen doing the honours. I have started to detail and weather this model but got sidetracked with the milk tanks, you know how it is !

Geoff
 

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Geoff

Western Thunderer
Evening all,
Today should have seen a second milk tank appear from the paint shop but to be honest I just wanted to play trains.

A couple of new pics. were taken at the same time seeing as I had the camera and tripod handy. 4560 was relegated to the pick up goods and is seen here with a milk tank whilst a bubblecar is on duty with the local passenger.

Geoff
 

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westernfan

Western Thunderer
Hi Geoff

I just got my craftsman detailing kit in the post very prompt service thanks for pointing me in the right direction . Im also waiting on a lighting kit to arrive as well. The milk tanks look the part , so does the 121 and the black and white images remind me of reading model railway constructor way back in time. I really am enjoying your layout thread .  What motor do you have in the bubble car ? 

Chris westernfan
 

Phill Dyson

Western Thunderer
Always nice to see some new pics of your wonderful layout  :bowdown: 8) 8) 8).  I like the weathering on the milk tank too , are all three axles rigid on the 4mm versions of these tanks ?

Phill  :wave:
 

Geoff

Western Thunderer
westernfan said:
Hi Geoff

I just got my craftsman detailing kit in the post very prompt service thanks for pointing me in the right direction . Im also waiting on a lighting kit to arrive as well. The milk tanks look the part , so does the 121 and the black and white images remind me of reading model railway constructor way back in time. I really am enjoying your layout thread .  What motor do you have in the bubble car ? 

Chris westernfan

Morning Chris
You didn't waste much time in getting the kit, I didn't bother with lighting but did make on or two changes to the model which you should be able to see if you click on this link  http://thechroniclesofpenhydd.blogspot. ... html Scroll down past the books and you will come to the topic in question.

My model is the Hornby version and so uses their new style power bogie, must say my sample is a really smooth one.  It is also very easy to fit scale wheels or do an EM conversion.  Another good point about the Hornby model is that it comes with reasonable flush glazing, South Eastern Finecast can supply glazing if you have the early Lima model

You mentioning the "Constructor" is interesting as it was the only magazine my newsagent could get for me !  We are talking early sixties here and it was sometime before I could get hold of the "Modeller" which was my preferred choice.

Phill Dyson said:
Always nice to see some new pics of your wonderful layout  :bowdown: 8) 8) 8).  I like the weathering on the milk tank too , are all three axles rigid on the 4mm versions of these tanks ?

Phill  :wave:

Thanks Phill,
The milk tanks are three axle rigid and I could only get EM wheels in place by removing a lot of material from within the chassis frames. As luck would have it the approach curve to Penhydd is 6 ft radius and the wagons are more than happy with that and points down to B6.  The second tank which should appear sometime this week is an old Lima model. Rather than dispose of it I wanted to see if it could be converted to EM and brought upto the current day level of detail. I did at one stage think I would have to use etched 'w' irons and have a little compensation, however it is more than happy in rigid form as well.

Cheers,
Geoff


A couple of pics. follow showing the arrival and departure of a local passenger train on a summer evening.

Cheers,
Geoff
 

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Geoff

Western Thunderer
Evening All,
I know you guys like your 6 wheel milk tanks, this one on the right is an old reworked Lima model which I finished today. Another six to go and I think I will turn my attention to the creamery itself. However I think the Hymek will be a priority now as I can't wait to see it coupled up to the tanks. Just awaiting some numerals from Fox and once she is renumbered the weathering can be completed.

Cheers,
Geoff
 

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