LNWR bogie coaches in 4mm/00

Discussion in 'Workbenches, including workshop techniques.' started by LarryG, 21 February 2019.

  1. LarryG

    LarryG Western Thunderer

    Every so often, something new lands in my hands to make life far more interesting than building just another coach. A gentleman by the name of David Catton took the trouble to look me up and send a set of etchings for an ex. LNWR D266 corridor third. He had done the CAD's and had drawn it without the lower waist panelling to represent a typical BR condition. So here they are.....
    WEB LNWR D266 1.jpg
    I was able to draw on my own etchings for the floor, ends and underframe. A Comet Models extruded aluminium roof was used because its very shallow rebate would not show in the toplight windows. The first move was to prepare a floor 52' 6" long and attach a pair of my spare LNWR ends. The floor was also drilled for the new bogie centres....
    WEB LNWR D266 2.jpg
     
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  2. iak63

    iak63 Western Thunderer

    Now that is a grand concept.
    Watching intently Larry.
     
  3. LarryG

    LarryG Western Thunderer

    The tumblehome was formed and then the droplights hinges bent at right-angles ready for pushing through the slots. The fit was perfect, and I wish all commercial kits were as good....
    WEB LNWR D266 3.jpg
    Tack-soldering top and bottom is more than adequate...
    WEB LNWR D266 4.jpg
    The basic 'box' with solebars also in place. I 'robbed' them from one of my kits...
    WEB LNWR D266 5.jpg
    Another of my time-saving ideas was to design quick-fit door & grab handles and any shape...
    WEB LNWR D266 7.jpg
    Raised panelling was ground away to make room for the handles, which were held in place with Loctite....
    WEB LNWR D266 8.jpg
     
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  4. LarryG

    LarryG Western Thunderer

    Corridor partition soldered to my seats...
    WEB LNWR D266 12.jpg
    The 52' 6" coach built awaiting painting. The bogies are 8' bulbiron type. They're my own castings, but sadly it is not worth having them cast now, as I will end up with other bogies that I do not need.
    WEB LNWR D266 9.jpg
    Sprayed in Ford Rosso Red on top of my carmine red mix, and then weathered. Varnished with Halfords Satin Lacquer...
    WEB LNWR D266 10.jpg
    WEB LNWR D266 11.jpg
    An LNWR Toplight coach in BR carmine showing weathering in close-up. Note that it gathered under the raised panelling around door handles etc and below hinges (lub run-off)....
    WEB LNWR carmine coachs 2.jpg
    Two LNWR coaches in BR plain carmine red with GWR coaches...
    WEB LNWR carmine coaches.jpg
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  5. LarryG

    LarryG Western Thunderer

    After completing David's coach, a pal and I were reminiscing about LNWR coaches on the North Wales line. I bought a D307 kit thinking I could build us both one, but it was typical of old kits and I say that with 46 years experience under my belt, so I had my own produced. The sheet was filled with a companion D264A corridor third.

    I wanted Kadee couplings on the brake end and so built my D307 on a Hornby Stanier coach chassis. The LMS bogies resemble LNWR bogies after they received LMS axlebox covers....
    WEB LNWR D307 5.jpg
    These coaches were incorporated into the LMS diagram book as LMS D1712 solely because the conversions from Ambulance coaches post dated the Grouping. LMS conversions may have all been withdrawn by 1956 whereas pucker LNWR coaches lasted to the end of the fifties....
    WEB LNWR D307 8.jpg
    Genuine LNWR examples had single long toplights at the brake end.....
    WEB LNWR D307 10.jpg
     
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  6. LarryG

    LarryG Western Thunderer

    The LNWR D264A also lasted well in BR days. Built on the proper 9' Bulbirom 9' bogies...
    WEB LNWR 264A 1.jpg
    WEB LNWR D264A 4.jpg WEB LNWR D264A 5.jpg
    LNWR at Carrog....
    WEB LNWR @ Carrog 2.jpg
     
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  7. LarryG

    LarryG Western Thunderer

    Back in 2009, friend Adrian at Northstar Design produced some CAD's on spec for LNWR non-corridor coaches. I couldn't resist adding them to my range. After a break of nine years, I decided to have the LNWR D333 brake third etched again and promptly added a coach to my collection....
    WEB LNWR D333 2.jpg
    The double-waist panelling marks LNWR coaches out as Toplight stock....
    WEB LNWR D333 3.jpg
     
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  8. LarryG

    LarryG Western Thunderer

    The following LNWR non-corridor coaches were also etched...
    D146 lavatory composite. Finished in early LMS full panelled livery....
    WEB LNWR D146.jpg
    D176 composite in BR carmine red....
    WEB LNWR D176.jpg
    D283 all third. Same BR red but in sunlight...
    WEB LNWR D283.jpg
     
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  9. LarryG

    LarryG Western Thunderer

    Traditional LNWR single waist panelling on the D265 8' 6" wide corridor third. Some were converted to push-pull trailers as M76 and that is what I had etched. However, I back-engineered one set of parts to become a normal day coach. They were mounted on 9' Deepframe bogies...
    WEB LNWR D265 1.jpg WEB LNWR D265 2.jpg
     
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  10. LarryG

    LarryG Western Thunderer

    Between 2001 and 2004 I produced a range of LNWR motor-fitted coaches that initially were for myself so I could model the Oldham-Delph sets that I knew as a lad. I was still taking in painting & lining commissions at the time, but with thirty years experience producing RTR coaches with Lawrence Scale Models, I made the switch to coach production. The LNWR Dia. M49 was my first push pull coach...
    LNWR parts..jpg
    The push-pull open saloon body design was clearly derived from the steam railmotors...
    WEB LNWR M49 brass 2.jpg

    LNWR D49 open 3rd driving trailer WEB2.jpg
    The Dia. M15 was the daddy of all the open saloons built in 1911. I rode in that coach as much as any because it outlived many younger coaches....
    LNWR M15 model WEB.jpg
    The Dia.M45 looked far more modern with its toplight windows, but the seating was akin to that in trams....
    LNWR M45 toplight 3rd driving trailer.jpg
    The 'component' parts of an M45.....
    LNWR M45 interior.jpg
    The seats in the M12 non driving trailer were more plush. It had standee sections at each end....
    LNWR M12 compo push pull interior.jpg
    The solitary M47 non driving trailer. Probably the only LNWR bow-end coach!
    LNWR M47 1.jpg
     
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  11. LarryG

    LarryG Western Thunderer

    The Diagram M52 originated in 1913 and was the only LNWR side-corridor coach equipped with driving compartment. Four coaches were built with gangway connectors at both ends, but 3410 ran without the one at the driving end in later days. They were 50' long and ran on 8'w.b. bulbiron bogies....
    WEB LNWR M52 1.jpg
    Northstar Design also produced this coach, but for 7mm scale........
    WEB LNWR M52 2.jpg
    The interior was standard except it had no doors leading from compartments to the corridor.....
    WEB LNWR M52 3.jpg
    WEB LNWR M52 5.jpg
     
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  12. LarryG

    LarryG Western Thunderer

    A few years ago I built a very abridged version of the Delph Branch. The layout was domed to failure because the bridge that purported to be Saddleworth Viaduct had a tunnel on it(!!!) where the line left the shed. One of Lees's Ivatt's negotiates the sharp curve leading away from the Standedge mainline with two-side corridor coaches to Diagrams M76A and M52....
    WEB LNWR Delph train 1.png
    Looking towards Saddleworth, a train has crossed onto the mainline from the Delph Branch at Moorgate Halt. The push-pull coaches are an M47 and M49. This was my final fling at the LNWR/BR in the Pennines, as my next layout started the GWR ball rolling....
    WEB LNWR Delph train 2.png
     
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  13. LarryG

    LarryG Western Thunderer

    After using a shot of the LNWR corridor coaches as a screensaver, I thought the LMS bogies under the D307 were not convincing as LNWR bogies! .So I replaced the tie-bars with my etched ones....
    WEB LNWR bogie 1.jpg WEB LNWR Bogie 2.jpg
     
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  14. Chris P

    Chris P Member

    As usual, superb work!!
    You have, once again given me some options for using LNWR coaches in BR crimson.
    I particularly like the planked effect on the brake where the exterior panelling has gone. Did you do this by scribing the planks in the brass?
    Chris.
     
  15. LarryG

    LarryG Western Thunderer

    Thanks. I ruled the planks with a draftsman pen on that coach, but I have scribed them on some coaches and run diluted PPC dirty black into the lines.
     
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  16. Chris P

    Chris P Member

    Thanks for that, it is appreciated.
    I'm going to try it on a Chowbent L&Y corridor in a bit.
    Chris.
     
  17. Phil O

    Phil O Western Thunderer

    I do like panelled stock, they have more character, IMO.

    Some great modelling and the speed of it, puts my miserable efforts to shame!
     
  18. Jinty

    Jinty Western Thunderer


    Beautiful modelling Larry, I particularly like the picture of the Ex LNWR stock sitting in Carrog behind the Coal tank, and that full lined LMS coach is to die for!!!
    As you know I have an Ex-Northstar M52 to build myself in 7mm, supplied now by Dave Hill at Gladiator. Looking at this thread and those beautiful coaches, I think will give me the impetus to get cracking on it and re-kindle my interest in my own layout again. Thank you.

    David ;)
     
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  19. LarryG

    LarryG Western Thunderer

    Thanks David. When you have finished the M52, you could always build companion a M76A. :drool: The latter coaches were conversions from LNWR D265 57' corridor thirds. The last time I saw one was at Abergele among the Camping Coaches. You are welcome to borrow my book if you need photos.
     
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  20. Peter Little

    Peter Little Member

    Hi Larry

    What a great thread, thank you for posting this.

    Regards

    Peter
     
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