Mickoos European dabblings

mickoo

Western Thunderer
MBW V200.1

Well, unsurprisingly it does what it says on the tin ;)

Few points to consider if your sitting on the fence;

It's suitably heavy so plenty of traction.
It looks the right shape and they seem to have captured the .1 nose profile very well.
Very little mould marks or edges.
Paint job is very nice and even and lettering nice and crisp, there may be better out there, there's certainly worse.
Very smooth running right out of the box, I've got the vanilla DC version, wish I had picked up the sound version instead, but a Loksound V200 chip will be forthcoming to my stable I'm sure ;)
At the current going rate for a new boxed one they are good value for money I think.

Only downsides I can see right now are;

Engine room details are a little 2D, they are 3D but very low relief, probably would of been better off just having smoked glass if I'm honest, I've not looked inside but suspect there's a huge lump of chassis in there or something else that precludes accurate engine views.
Roof weathering is a bit....'factory'....it's a nice touch, but a bit uniform, possibly better left off for end users to apply.
Glazing is the typical jam jar bottom Benny Hill lens effect you get from RTR.
They don't appear to do a digital number version, if they do it's a small part of the catalogue, most are V200.nnn variants, which means of you want a more modern version you need to take all the trim off as well as renumbering, it's basically a repaint top to bottom as removing the moulded trim will require a lot of work, finding replacement decals might be a problem as well.
It doesn't seem to appear in their catalogue any more, limited run perhaps? Plenty of variants out there (at least ten number and depot variants I've counted) so some of the less popular variants might still be kicking around.

Finally, they do a Gauge 1 model as well, and it doesn't cost much more if you look around, if your not hung up on scale and a V200 fan (who isn't...twin engine hydraulic sound track) then you really do have to consider the Gauge 1 model very carefully (I've already sent my request to Santa:cool:).
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You get a nice replacement full front skirt if you want to detail your engine but the supplied plastic hooks won't pull much more than a few wagons, two hooks are provided, one basic hook and one with a coupling moulded on, not a very nice moulding so cut it off and get a replacement metal one from somewhere, hoses all look ok from what I can see in the bag.
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Would I get another? Well V200 hunt in pairs on heavy ore trains and they did run in pairs in Denmark during the Mz crisis (mind they were pairs of V200.0) which is how I remember them....on three and five coach trains! So yes there is a need to get another, but, and it is a big but, gauge 1 has so much more presence and a garden roundy roundy test track with a sound fitted V200.1 is a strong urge to resist.

Enjoy
 

Steph Dale

Western Thunderer
Mick,
You mention in a previous post a site that has drawings for German locos, could I trouble you for a link please?
Scale couplings in 1:32 must be fun for these locos, do you get the hooked shackle working? I gave up trying in H0 and I don't think even Weinert managed it!
Cheers,
Steph
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Steph,

Fill your boots, quality is very good, but the one sample I have seen is not comprehensive, for model making it had frames some structure, bogies, cylinders and other sundry details like lamps and pumps etc.

Dampflokomotiven - ZANDER-HEBA
Lokomotiven - ZANDER-HEBA

This one here has no direct link and is linked simply by what others have bought from another page :eek:
Werkzeichnungen zur Lokomotivgattung - ZANDER-HEBA

And this one is under goods wagons
Werkzeichnungen zur Lokomotivgattung - ZANDER-HEBA

So other classes might be hidden elsewhere from this range, i have just noticed that he does do the Br.94 which I was looking into, but still no Br.38 or Br.23, but I roughly gather that he has other drawings on stock if you ask but probably only the engines listed here.

The site is a bit of a mess and some pages are linked through other pages and have no direct link but it looks like there are two types of drawings, those aimed at modelers and those aimed at researchers, in lay mans terms, those that appear in the modelling press and those that you get from NRM, not fully worked out which range is which or even how accurate that description is. I'm going to order some of the Atlas range later this week hopefully. Having said that, if your modeling unified Germany, I.E. einheitslok then you will probably get almost all you need just from several classes, provided those items are not duplicated in each CD sort of thing.

One thing I can't see any hint of is tenders, those are often as important as the locos themselves, hopefully they will come on the Atlas CD's somewhere.

I can't take credit for finding these, I was tipped off by another (you know who you are..thank you:thumbs:) as I didn't even know you could get accurate drawings like this for German stock.
 
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cmax

Western Thunderer
Mick

Thanks for the photo's, see your point re the engine room, would it put me off buying one? No, but will it be Spur O or Spur 1.....something to sleep on.

Many Thanks

Gary
 

Dikitriki

Flying Squad
MBW V200.1


Finally, they do a Gauge 1 model as well, and it doesn't cost much more if you look around, if your not hung up on scale and a V200 fan (who isn't...twin engine hydraulic sound track) then you really do have to consider the Gauge 1 model very carefully (I've already sent my request to Santa:cool:).
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So yes there is a need to get another, but, and it is a big but, gauge 1 has so much more presence and a garden roundy roundy test track with a sound fitted V200.1 is a strong urge to resist.

Enjoy

Hi Mick,

Can I ask you to expand on the 'not hung up on scale' comment? Is that a reference to G1 v G0, wheel standards, or some fault in the appearance of the G1 model. I only ask as I'm sure my garden railway will need one:), and they are such good value for money.

Resistance is futile :) We've got the stock, so you only need to get in your car to play with G1 :).....Well, sometime next year.

Richard
 

SimonT

Western Thunderer
This is all so very tempting as I remember bits of DB from living in Germany as a boy while Dad defended the West. I am in scatter-gun mode at the moment. The V100 and Br260 are a particular weak spots. Are there any good English starting points for reading up (New thread)? My German is limited to ordering beer during night stops from the days when I was defending the west and shouting for a corner when replaying a certain world cup final against the German lads;).

Simon
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Hi Mick,

Can I ask you to expand on the 'not hung up on scale' comment? Is that a reference to G1 v G0, wheel standards, or some fault in the appearance of the G1 model. I only ask as I'm sure my garden railway will need one:), and they are such good value for money.

Resistance is futile :) We've got the stock, so you only need to get in your car to play with G1 :).....Well, sometime next year.

Richard
Richard,

What I ment was if your a die hard fan of the V200 and already do not have an extensive collection in either O or G or a prefered scale you want to model in, then the Spur1 model looks to be the better value for money. If your sole purpose is to just own a good model of a V200 and worry about how your going to play with it later, then Spur1 is in my mind the better option.

If your not worried about depots, numbers or Epoch then you can pick up new non sound versions for around £5-600, maybe cheaper, that's a lot of toy for that price.

I did look at the LGB one but the narrow gauge and being a V200.0 put me off.

I'm sure a Spur1 version will be under my bench in due course;)
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
This is all so very tempting as I remember bits of DB from living in Germany as a boy while Dad defended the West. I am in scatter-gun mode at the moment. The V100 and Br260 are a particular weak spots. Are there any good English starting points for reading up (New thread)? My German is limited to ordering beer during night stops from the days when I was defending the west and shouting for a corner when replaying a certain world cup final against the German lads;).

Simon
Simon, not sure on English sites but what I do is use Google chrome and it has a translate button, whilst it's not a perfect translation it's usually more than enough to get the gist of things.

I think Adrian or Richard or someone else started a general German thread a few weeks back, I think that was aimed at a general discussion area and whilst not aimed at a specific gauge, was meandering toward Spur1

V100 eh, not a big fan of them, though I admit they seem very popular to a wide audiance, there's loads of books and mags on them and plenty of models.

I'm more a fan of the V90 which is more chunky and used for heavy shunting and trip work but getting detailed info is difficult, but I do ahve a very good walkaround collection grabbed off some train sim site a few years ago :cool:

I'm pleased to see that EKVerlag are now doing the V160 and variants, a total of three volumes to cover them all, thats the best part of £120 gone, but there won't be anything else printed before and probably after that will match the detail in those volumes.

Br260? I presume you mean the V60 class, I like them, they would make a nice model to scratch build or etch some parts up for, just need some parts made in 3D to finish it off ;) Again like the V100, quite popular, I think EKv'g do a volume on them and I think it's out of print or close to end of run. Like the UK 'Book of' series, EKV'g are short run and rerun at what looks like ten year cycles, I'm still trying to find a reasonably priced Br.23 tome.

I'll post some sites up tonight, most are pictorial reference sites, problem with those is once you start browsing you get sucked in very quickly :D
 

Yorkshire Dave

Western Thunderer
V100 eh, not a big fan of them, though I admit they seem very popular to a wide audiance

The V100's were a 'go anywhere' loco. I remember seeing them hauling Silberling as a kid when we were based at RAF Brüggen during the mid to late 60's. Not forgetting the EE Canberras of course.

And the V200 is the real deal :D, not BRs imitation :eek:.
 

Simon

Flying Squad
If you like Euro gauge 1 diesels don't forget Heljan are doing the Nohab Danish My with sound and smoke shortly.

Brian

Do you think they would entertain producing their fabulous Hymek in Gauge One?

I asked once some years ago at Warley and got a no, but it is a model that they absolutely "nailed" to my eyes and a 1/32 version would be a wonderful thing to behold.

I'd definitely buy one:p

Simon
 

SimonT

Western Thunderer
Mick,
Br260/V60 illustrates the 'problem'. I remember the Arnold N model I bought in the model shop in Krefeld in 1974; it wouldn't have been Fleischman as pocket money was paying. I don't remember the nomenclature and so used that used by Lenz on the A and H web site. V60 fits in with V100, V160, V200. So I need to find a Boy's Own Primer on DB.
Got the drawings?;)
Simon
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Simon,

Nowt wrong with your nomenclature, I usually associate Br. with steam engines and use the V and E for diesel and electric. That's all very well for engines that carried those numbers or were built in that era, but more modern locos like the TRAXX or Taurus family never carried E numbers, you won't find E185 or E189 anywhere. Mind if you put in Br189 you don't get many hits, but if you put Br.189 then you get pages, it seems that adding the decimal is the normal syntax in this case.

Br is short for Baureihe which roughly translated means tribe or in our language class :thumbs:

No, no drawings yet, but I am on the look out ;)
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
If you like Euro gauge 1 diesels don't forget Heljan are doing the Nohab Danish My with sound and smoke shortly.
Brian, yes I'd seen that, being half Danish then that's a no brainer, I missed the O gauge production run but will not miss a sound fitted Spur1 loco in red and black :thumbs:
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Some more distractions arrived in the post this week ;)

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The drawings are good, well, they're ok, they just about cover what you need if your scratch building a representation of the engine, but no where near as detailed as I've been exposed to on the W1 project. I've got the Br.38 on order as well and may pick up a tank engine as well; sadly I still cannot find anything for the Br.23 class :rant:

Overall I suppose it comes down to what you're prepared to accept and in this case knowledge can often be detrimental as you feel the need to add it. Less info should make for an easier project... I hope ;)

Always good to expand this collection though :thumbs:
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Some usable drawings in the Br.50 (though scanning these will require the staples to be carefully removed and the relevant pages taken out) and probably the best and most detailed I've seen in this series in the V60, which is handy as I can't seem to find any anywhere else!

The BW magazine has some superb gritty inspirational images for depot scene cameos or photo planks :thumbs:

As usual with EJ, all printed on high quality paper with the majority of images (those that matter for detail freaks) being very high quality.
 
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Mr Grumpy

Western Thunderer
Mick, I really enjoy your posts, European railways aren't my thing, but your knowledge and enthusiasm just draws me in! I have learnt so much from your posts in the last few months!
I shall become one of you minions!
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Mick, I really enjoy your posts, European railways aren't my thing, but your knowledge and enthusiasm just draws me in! I have learnt so much from your posts in the last few months!
I shall become one of you minions!
LOL, that made Oi larf.

My problem is that I have too many interests, I know many will never get the time they deserve and many more will never even be uncovered, and that's just railways.

I note you say Euro railways are not your thing, but how can you be sure? there may be something that does interest you, just that you haven't found it yet ;)

I was the same with narrow gauge, then I saw a program on the Darjeeling railway and now love them to bits, I was ambivalent to live steam, especially narrow gauge, but seeing Steve Cook and his exploits opened another can of worms, I have a slow fund building for a Hunslet quarry in 16mm, I'd prefer live steam but might opt for Slaters electric.
Dikitriki didn't just pry open my Euro interest can of worms, he threw it on the floor and now they're all out, there's no point putting them back, to be fair it was an interest bubble I had locked away far to securely for far too long :cool:.

One thing I have found though is to never dismiss something, interests and circumstances change and you just never know what's over the horizon.

Put another way, it's very easy to sit in the same comfortable cave around the fire, but occasionally it pays to look outside and wander around, you never know, there maybe an even bigger cave with running water just around the corner, but if there isn't, you can still always return to the comfort of your old cave :thumbs: Besides, all that exercise will burn off some of that sabre tooth tiger you just ate ;)
 
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