7mm Mickoo's Commercial Workbench

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Earlier in the month I was asked to work up some replacement frames for an existing kit, those in the kit fell short of.....well lets just say....modern basic standards.

It's an early pre grouping engine and has frames made up of lap joint sections; in this case three, main frames, front and rear extensions.

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A revised set of upper works are also required and I'll sort these once the BLP tender is complete shortly.

I'm sure some of the build will be aired on here in due course ;).
 

adrian

Flying Squad
It's an early pre grouping engine and has frames made up of lap joint sections; in this case three, main frames, front and rear extensions.
Interesting - given the main frames and overlays I'm guessing it's a 4-4-2. The footplate frame suggests its straight which goes against an Atlantic tender loco which tended to have curved footplates with the larger driving wheels. So I'm thinking 4-4-2 tank loco. The convex frame extensions at the front suggest an Ivatt design to me but the cutback behind the smokebox doesn't match my expectations. So either an LMS 2P 4-4-2 tank or an LB&SCR 4-4-2 tank. Am I anywhere near close or am I a million miles away as usual. :confused:
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Miles away lol, but it is a 4-4-2T. However, all is not as it seems, theres a little bit of a error on the footplate......I forgot to put the openings in for the driving wheels. An easy fix for the builder who is more than capable, but bloody annoying to say the least.
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
All done on the tender....or so I thought, just noticed cab doors not fitted, I'll tend to them during the engine build at some point.

I've found that two weeks is about as long as you can keep brass clean during a build, and this is true here, the constant cleaning is beginning to tarnish the metal work.
Absolutely now problem for painting or even once painted, but in the raw it's not as nice as it was a week ago.

It took a little longer than planned to complete but I had some distractions in the form of my Euro bubble making an aggressive entrance to contend with :rolleyes: :p.

Time to hit the CAD dept for more etch work.

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P A D

Western Thunderer
Hi Mick,
I would agree also. Whatever your choice of cleaning chemical, it seems that no matter how much you drain the local reservoir rinsing, there only needs to be ppm left on the model to cause staining over time. Like my T3 build, your photos suggest that the tender is pristine, but when you look closer you can see stains here and there. That said, still a superb build by any standards.

Cheers,
Peter
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Hello pop pickers, well that didn't go well did it.

After a couple of days in CAD for the C17 structure works, I thought I'd have a quick dabble with the 64xx before cracking on with the Bulleid.

Attempted to fold up the 64xx cab sides and made a right horlicks of it, despite several test pieces to get the right bend line, neither worked on the real deal. The first being out by a whole millimetre, the second by o.gnats widget mm. Problem is, once bent they never straighten out; it's a shame as the second bend was nigh on perfect, radius, uniform and straight (right hand cab side in image).

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I'm not overly stressed as there were two other errors that really needed sorting, the first being the cab cut out at the lower front, my arc was a little more genteel than the original.

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Second, the rear upper section was too long and did not line up with the cab rear or opening, again out by a full millimeter, not sure what happened there. If there were no raised rivets then it could of been trimmed back, even with rivets I could of whipped these off and added archers transfer ones at the end. But there were other faults as noted and it might as well be done right.

Cab opening lined up.

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Rear wall lined up.

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So, a quick scribble in CAD, knowing that CCU has not been fully banished, results in a new etch for PPD.

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With luck :eek: I'll have a couple of spare cab sides left over, available at cost + P&P for anyone else who's had CCU make an appearance on their 64xx. I still need to add the firebox top etch and the tank top has been altered to suit that variant with a wider opening for the firebox top.

I've also taken the opportunity to redo the coupling rods..... with correct sized knuckle pin holes :p

Okay, back to the Bulleid engine build now.
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Moving on from the mid week disaster it was time to tackle the BLP kit.

As with all engine kits the first step is the chassis. The BLP chassis builds up quickly with little fuss, it actually takes longer to remove the cusp from all the parts than to build it.

The kit comes with two options for the main axle boxes, rigid or compensated; though there is a third option available as an add on pack, individually sprung.

These simple fold up affairs require a hole to be drilled for the screw and I use 12BA and being the Luddite that I am, back it up with a 12BA nut as well.

There are many ways to fit individually sprung horn guides but I use the Hobby horse jig and retain one top hat bearing as a known fixed point. It does mean you have to effectively take two bites to get it all done. But I like the comfy blanket feeling, of keeping at least one axle in top hat bearings in place at the start of the process.

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I also try and find a block to support the frames in a roughly level attitude, in this case a stock Garyflex block works just fine.

Once the first two units are secured in place, then the rear fixed axle arrangement is removed and the process repeated for the last sprung units.

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It also pays to drill a hole in the top of the leading axle stretcher.....to allow for the axle box screw adjustment ;), that tit bit isn't mentioned in the instructions and I learned the hard way last time :D

Most 12BA screw heads top out at 2.5 mm OD so I just ploughed through at 2.75 mm to give some wriggle room.
 
Hi, Enjoying your build log very much, I have built two MF BLPs, and found the first one flatly refusing to go through a continuous 6ft rad without shorting even before fitting the complex brake linkage. So the mods to the chassis to fix it were developed and the chassis etches of the second build modified prior to assembly. All was OK, and I have a third kit to build soon which will also have the mods done on it, however I have heard others built the BLP without mods and said all was OK around a six foot continuous radius, so I don't know what I am doing wrong.
Phil.
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Phil,

The first one I built had no issues with six foot curves with respect to shorting and I do not recall having to do any major surgery. The full build is here 7mm - Finney Battle of Britain and probably goes into more detail than this one will.

It wont be the main drivers as the frames are so narrow, especially if the brake gear is not fitted, it's also unlikely to be the Delta truck as the axle is held firmly in place so the rims cannot touch the frame work.

This only leaves the bogie and I'm not sure where that might short out other than the rear wheels touching the main frames on the inside of the rim.

You do have to be careful with the bogie side control castings as they can impact the cylinder drain pipes and the Delta truck castings can impact the injector pipework on the RH side which then limits movement on a LH curve. That tightens the rear end and forces all the slack up to the front of the engine, if that is tight laterally then it can lead to derailments. 7mmMick had that problem with his and the simple removal of a couple of axle washers on the leading driver solved that.

I'll see how this build goes and keep a close eye out for any snag points and let you know.
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Onward, the final rigid bearing was swapped out for a sprung unit and the axle boxes tested and fitted.

I already know getting the engine springs off or making them removable is hard work; plus making the brake gear also removable is just prone to damage so the axle boxes are permanently retained. You can still just get the wheels off if required.

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I've allowed an axle box travel of around 1 - 1.5 mm which should cater for most eventualities.

One of the down sides to the sprung units is that they are all inside the frames. The real engine has narrow frames so that they sit on top of the axle boxes mid axis.

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This means that on the model there is a large gap between the axle box face and inside wheel face.

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In short you have to find spacers to fill at least 2.75 mm (O fine) each side to reduce lateral play. The kit only provides three washers for each axle, a 0.7, 0.45 and 0.225 mm which still leaves 1.375 mm to find. Fortunately having used sprung units you now have six top hat bearings spare, the flange being 1.55 mm thick. You need to cut the flange off and add the 0.7 + 0.225 washers to give 2.475 mm spacing.

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From left to right, 0.225, 0.7, top hat flange 1.55 mm. I've kept the top hat bearing stubs (above and below flanges) as they may come in useful at some point.

Once all the wheels and washers are added you end up with this.

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You should end up with about 0.25 mm play left and right, the reality is a little greater, more like 0.4 mm. If you think you need more then drop out the 0.225 or swap the 0.7 for the spare 0.45.

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Setting the wheel height is in the instructions, essentially it's 43.75 mm from rail head to top of the frames. In the above instance the wheels are at maximum deflection downward and the rims are just level with the tops of the frames; when fully compressed the rim should be above the frames, but the tyre should not, as a rule of thumb.

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The wheels look higher here, but that's due to the gap twixt frame and wheel giving that impression.

Finally, one of the first etches I did for Finney7 were overlays for the Slaters Bullied wheels, there's nowt wrong with them out of the box, but the depressed front face is a touch too much, as is the step between the rim and front face. The front face is also raised at the hub and slopes toward the rim so I will gently ease the centre up away from the wheel to mimic that later.

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At the moment the etch is flat and the boss looks too high, it needs to be half that height.

The massive gap where the oil bath should be is evident and I'll knock up a simple fold up light blocker here.
 
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mickoo

Western Thunderer
mini update, decided the oil bath might as well go in now, there's another extension to the rear but need to check clearances with the gearbox first, though most of it is hidden up under the frames, unlike this section which drops down.

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It's not 100% accurate, to do that would mean a whole new section of frame here, stays and profile as well as new spring hangers.

One day I'll revamp this whole area though one really simple quick fix would be a riveted overlay, I've not yet managed to punch these out effectively to give the mass appearance of the real ones. I'll trial the overlay on the next Bulleid chassis I do, which will hopefully be in the new year.

It's either my punch and anvil or the combination of small etched holes in 0.7 mm material, just my personal opinion though.
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Another week, another update. Most of the frame bits and bobs added as well as the bogie and Delta truck assemblies built and fitted.

Quick test fit of the casing shows all is well.

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Frame progress to date, still needs ash pan, slide bars and brakes as well as the usual pipe and rod fixtures.

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Bogie and Delta truck sub assemblies, nice little mini projects, remove cusp, fold up, add solder, done :thumbs:

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Frames and running gear all set up.

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Casing test fit, all level and square, quite hard not to truth be told.

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Total progress to date.
 
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