On Heather's Workbench - Coleman's Baby

Heather Kay

Western Thunderer
I've always had a soft spot for the diminutive 2F 0-6-0T dock tank designed by Sir Henry Fowler (or more correctly, his head of the drawing office Tom Coleman). Looking like a slightly shrunken 3F tank, with incongruously large outside cylinders and complicated-looking Walschaerts valve gear, this little engine was a tiny class of only 10 locos, yet still warranted classification as an LMS standard design.

Best Beloved gave me a 4mm OO gauge whitemetal model he made many years ago. I repainted it to BR livery, and painted a chalked moniker on the tank side. "John Wayne" got his name because he waddled along the track, reminiscent of the famous movie star. I was hooked. When the opportunity came to acquire a 7mm scale version, how could I resist? Even though our modelling centred around north Bucks on the former LNWR mainline, and the dock tanks lived in places like Liverpool and north of Hadrian's Wall, I could invoke Rule 1: it's my trainset.

That was some time ago now. The etched brass kit originated with Jim Harris, but had been through a couple of hands by the time I got the box labelled with Acorn & Mercian. The photo on the box lid was obviously of a 4mm scale version, and close inspection of the box contents revealed some some details were a little off. The cylinders, particularly, bore little resemblance to the real thing. Nothing, I thought, I couldn't reasonably overcome.

I decided to get my research in. Irwell Press published a lovely illustrated article on the Fowler tank, with images of all of the class through much of their existence. Happily, No 47163, had good views from both sides - and it funnily enough, it was the same number I chose for the 4mm repaint all those years ago. Here, then, was my engine. I created a painting to show how it would look when finished, although a bit cleaner than I intended.

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The class was originally fitted with oval buffers and three-link couplings. At some point, 47163 acquired standard round buffers and screw-links. Another loco was photographed with one oval and one round buffer on the front, so there's a prototype for everything!

I started the model well enough. Being My First Loco™, I decided to bring the frames out for S7 by overlaying with black styrene, studded with rod to represent the rivets and bolts. The wheels were reprofiled for S7. I got as far as the footplate, bunker, cab and tank sides, and then discovered the smokebox wrappers and door were way out. The door was from a 3F "Jinty", so it was too large. I failed completely in rolling the boiler to the right diameter, and simply couldn't get the smokebox to fit at all. Let's not even go where the Belpaire firebox is…

Back it all went in the box. I continued to ponder the problem - and have continued pondering for the past five or more years. Occasionally, I'd take the box off the shelf and rummage through the contents, but as I couldn't get past the boiler and smokebox problem it never progressed much further.

Being an interest bubble, I continued to acquire bits and bobs. "One day," I'd say to myself, "One day, I will finish this model." I got some lovely cast details from Laurie Griffin, got the right buffers from Slater's, got a crew, found a motor and suitable gearbox, and finally found an almost-suitable smokebox door casting. This year I found some brass tube of the right diameter for the boiler. There's every possibility 47163 might find its way to the front of the bench for a bit - within the next few years at least!
 

Heather Kay

Western Thunderer
Hi Mike.

It was British Railways Illustrated magazine. I'll see if I can dig out the volume info later.

Meanwhile, I found some photos of 47163 "in the works". This is pretty much the state it's in right now.

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In this shot, you can just make out the smokebox saddle is narrower than the footplate frames. :confused: From the front, the smokebox ring would appear to be oval. :headbang:

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In this view, you can just make out the styrene frames overlay.

One day, this engine will be on the workbench and I'll be finishing him.
 
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Ressaldar

Western Thunderer
Hi Heather,

thanks for the prompt reply, I'll keep my fingers crossed that you find it. Some years ago I bought the Mercian kit - from Tower Models and when I checked the contents the following day, there was so much that was missing and also so much that was duplicated & triplicated that I put it all back in the box and made my first ever visit to Blackpool and got my money back. I'd like to have a go at one someday as they were used extensively on the docks here at Birkenhead.

cheers

Mike
 

Ressaldar

Western Thunderer
Forget to mention that I have Locomotives Illustrated 125 - the LMS 0-6-0t which has a double page spread of the 2F

cheers

Mike
 

Heather Kay

Western Thunderer
Right, the BRILL issue required is Volume 14 June 2005.

There were two articles covering the LMS Northern Division dock tanks, but only the June issue covered the Fowler locos if I recall correctly.

LMS Northern Division Dock Tanks - Part 1 Vol 14.9 June 2005, 370-380

LMS Northern Division Dock Tanks - Part 2 Vol 14.11 August 2005, 503-513

If you're lucky, Irwell may still have copies you can order. I appear to have disposed of my hard copy of the magazine. I took blown-up copies of the useful photos, so I still have all the reference info I need.

Like Mike I had missing parts in my box of delights, but happily Mercian's proprietor sent me replacement bits with an apology. Apparently they had been in the process of upgrading the kits, and some had been boxed incorrectly. Yeah, okay. I believe you.
 

Heather Kay

Western Thunderer
After raising the spectre of this shelf queen earlier today, I've dug into the box again.

I took the gas torch to the abomination of a boiler, so I now have a sort of kit of parts again. I plan to use the brass tube I acquired a while back, which scales to 4ft diameter. The real thing was 4ft 1in. I'm sat here trying to rationalise the smokebox overlay etches, but realised I'm looking at something around 5ft diameter. Not for the first time I find myself wondering if there's more 3F Jinty in this kit than 2F.

I have come to the conclusion I would be well served by seeing if a GA for this loco is available. I have had a quick poke around the NRM web site, but I don't even know where to begin a search a proper drawing. I've resurrected this thread as a sort of plea for guidance in such matters.

So, reluctantly, I have poured the bits back into the box while I find some more accurate information.
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Heather, I doubt there are GA's out there but if they are then they will be in the Derby or Horwich section, I keep looking for ones for the 4700x class myself, mind I think I've just found some of them ;)

Derby only lists the cylinders, probably just the casting, although Derby built them, I suspect due to their northerly allocation then Horwich might have serviced them.

However, the boiler is pretty much the same as the 3F Jinty tanks GS5½ where as the dock tank is a GS5, both have the same dia and length, firebox is pretty close but a little shorter on the dock tank and the smokebox looks to be a shorter version of the Jinty.
 

Heather Kay

Western Thunderer
I had a feeling that might be the case. I guess copious photos and sideways reference to the Roche drawings might have to suffice.

I knew there was more than a likeness with the 3F boiler, but for some reason I thought the 2F one was a much smaller diameter. Turns out they are almost identical - at least as far as a modelling compromise is concerned.

I'm not sure where the smokebox wrapper etch is so wrong, but it kind of looks like I will need to slice a chunk out somewhere. Along the centre with the chimney seems most favourite.

Perhaps I'll dig the box out again over the weekend.
 
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