Sodor & Mainland Recreations

Discussion in 'G3' started by Sleeper Agent, 14 June 2019.

  1. Sleeper Agent

    Sleeper Agent Member

    Third post in but here goes-

    Usually go by Sleeper Agent around the forums (just Sleeper is fine for short). Plenty of things on the ol' wish list but without going down that route i'll state that my modelling interests centre around The Railway Series and the great thing about the books is the amount of lore that Wilbert, George and Christopher Awdry managed to build up over the many years they and the three companion additions were published.
    For those not familiar with the railway history outside of the stories to summarise in brief the North Western Railway set up in 1915 absorbed The Sodor & Mainland (1853) , The Wellsworth & Suddery (1870) and The Tidmouth, Knapford & Elsbridge Light (1885) railways into a joint network that connects into Barrow-in-Furness.
    Surviving as the North West Region and even as the North West Railway again with the end of nationalisation a very wide period is available to model but personally i've little interest with the later BR periods. Being bought up on the initial seasons of Thomas The Tank Engine & Friends certain aspects of the show will also be bleeding into this thread and case in point are 'The Old Coaches'.
    Old Coaches
    Old Coaches/Gallery
    These mysterious three appear to have been specially built for the 1983 pilot and were not seen after the few episodes of Season 1 they appeared in and so presumably binned there is little to go off unfortunately. From what I've deduced they were simply freelances made out of plasticard but do bare a passing resemblance to a number of pre-group 3rd/2nd Class builds from around 1880.
    Anywho here's my first ever scratch build coach so far.
    The elliptical GWR Dean style roof is going to be interesting to try and tackle (any tips?) but mostly i'm in need of some leaf springs to further advance. Still newish to G3 so beside Mike Williams's LNWR ones are there any other suppliers out there? I'm looking for quite dainty ones ideally and somewhere around 6ft long or just under.

    Have tried to keep this opening salvo short but happy to answer any questions if curious.
    All the best Steve.

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  2. Sleeper Agent

    Sleeper Agent Member

    Has anyone here or on the G3 Forum built one of Walsall's GWR or Mike's 1850's third coaches? Given the lack of passenger kits in G3 you'd think I could find some examples online but keep drawing blank with search engines.....Basically wanting a better look at the leaf springs to see if they're close enough to the 'oldies' as I don't really want to go down the scratch route nor have I dabbled with 3D designing yet. Speaking of though Bowaters Models have agreed to assist with laser cutting my design and so before ordering a rake's worth thought it a good idea to get on with this recreation experiment to see what doesn't work!
    The seats I think need a less transparent coat to help them blend in with the teak but otherwise the interior is about done for the level of detail i'm trying to achieve. Inspired by a Talyllyn/Skarloey coach kit I own by Brandbright the window and inner sheets are going to be left as removable to make painting (and future repainting if necessary) straight forward and to solve the slight bowing issue believe a metal length and two glued magnets in the central compartment will be sufficient.

    Must confess the roof has been tripping me up. First attempt involved a boiling water technique I had tried in the past (I pre-warm the glass first to help avoid potential shattering) except due to the length I needed two bottles of plonk!
    It did work but as this is an elliptical roof rather than a simple arc type found the plastic too thick for further manipulating the tighter radius along both edges.
    For attempt two I tired 0.5mm aluminium. Originally I was going to try brass but once you go over the 30cm threshold sheet material becomes quite expensive! Anywho it's proved quite a malleable material with no 'spring back' and once i've got it fine tuned and reinforced the plan to glue a top layer over this base.

    Bit of a long shot but does anyone know of any G/G3/16mm 'T' door handles that have a slightly thicker mid point compared to the ends? Not the end of the world to settle for a more plain casting but it would be nice to closer match the mystery ones that went into the show builds if possible.

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  3. Spitfire2865

    Spitfire2865 Western Thunderer

    For springs, just shoot Mike Williams an email. He is a very helpful guy. Ive certainly given him quite a lot of my money mostly due to how helpful he is and how he always seems to have what I need.

    For the roof, why not build it from strips across a frame as in the prototype? Then cover that in a fine fabric and youve got a proper railway roof.
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  4. Hello Sleeper

    Rather like the two bottle method (hic) .
    Re your coaches , the roof profile looks rather Great Northern and for that I would go with individual planks and a fabric covering , like Spitfire's idea . For the length they would look better as 6 wheelers to me . It's just I walk past a G.N. six wheeler every time I go into the Vintage Carriage Trust at Ingrow .
    If you need or want bead widths or compartment sizes measuring let me know .
    Re door knobs , have a look at Dave Smith at the Midland Railway Centre . He does some tapered G1 hand rail knobs which might be adaptable .

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  5. Sleeper Agent

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    Sorry for the delay Midnight, been trying to finish some typing up on another forum concerning the Sodor's second engine.

    Aye the hot water bottle can do the hic quite nicely, it's just that the above failed as the material was a bit too thick to further manipulate a tighter radius on the sides. Regarding the individual plank notion I have done it in the past when provided with a kit but my results on tighter radiuses areas in the case of an elliptical roof has been wanting, particularly with the Ffestiniog's 'curly roof' and in the case of this scratch build I would also need to create a support frame which I'm less than keen on. Anywho having tried aluminium I think i've found my new favourite material as it's easy to manipulate, has no 'flex back' resistance to it and isn't outrageously expensive for oddball projects.
    The roof profile I would actually say is a little closer to GWR Dean's if being pedantic and while the G1 show builds appear to be freelance if you combine it with say the bodies of the Great North of Scotland's thirds from around 1875 you do get something remarkably close :)

    Regarding the length vs 6 wheels I know what you mean but whether through the middle wheel being removed or otherwise the GNR ran some lengthy 4-wheelers
    Great Northern Railway 4-wheeled coaches. Part 1.
    while the GWR also had some surprisingly long brake thirds (ideal for branch line corners apparently) so they're not completely outlandish, plus the idea of this experiment is to try and recreate a lost prop. Overall I do believe i've got the dimensions pretty close but am looking to make more realistic versions with some laser assistance from Bowaters Models and these will be a little smaller in L, W and H to better suit the period i've got them pegged out for. Thanks for the compartment measurement offer but i'm good as the above is based off a meticulous sprite plan that will simply be resized down from 29ft to 28ft.
    I hadn't been aware of the Midland Centre site but trying it just now navigation is a little limited. I'll see what I can spot around the stands of Llanfair and Telford in a few weeks time and come back to them if need be ta, by the sounds of it though they might also be of interest to some G1ers in the Sudrian community.

    As mentioned just above i'm not a big fan of strip frames but will be seeking out a fabric of some sort on the proper builds if nothing else.
    I've been in contact with Mike and Lez from Walsall now and they have/are going to provide some bits and bobs to advance things along thanks. Speaking of Mike we managed to arrange a meet up at Kidderminster for the LNWR Society's exhibition day where he also kindly provided me with some stagecoach type mouldings.
    Bit of work to go shall we say but great to have a start on the S&M's first and second gen coaches!
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  6. Sleeper Agent

    Sleeper Agent Member

    Unexpectedly came into possession of a GRS 02 kit recently (thanks for the heads up Mike) and looking for a little guidance as I can't seem to find any visual evidence of other builds here or on the Gauge 3 forum. Any photos in general would be handy for studying purposes but i've noticed the four part chimney is for a different prototype and so wondering if a closer G3 match exists, as the GRS and Walsall sites do not have anything particularly close. IMG_0603.JPG 017-2013-isle-of-wight-steam-railway-havenstreet-ex-lswr-02-class-w24-calbourne.jpg
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