7mm Templot Help request

Discussion in 'Permanent Way' started by BrushType4, 7 April 2018.

  1. BrushType4

    BrushType4 Western Thunderer

    Are there any Templot experts who would be able to help me draw the attached track plan so I can design the crossovers and points as I'd like to start getting some of this on baseboards.

    Kings Cross Track Plan.jpeg
     

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  2. richard carr

    richard carr Western Thunderer

    Phil

    I should be able to do that, but I need to what the radius is going to be and the maximum limit for the baseboard size etc.

    Richard
     
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  3. Michael D

    Michael D Western Thunderer

    Have a look at the templot forum as well because you can load your plan onto the system and it will do it all automatically to any set scale, its simpler than ive badly described of course! Theres tutorials to follow that are very helpful
    You can also load OS Maps etc, very helpful tool
    Good luck :)
     
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  4. BrushType4

    BrushType4 Western Thunderer

    I'd appreciate that. The drawing is to scale. The distance between the lines is 33mm and the orange is the centre line on the full size for 7mm attached.

    If there was a way to import the PDF I could have a go, but I'm not that good at doing the points.

    edit. PDF is full size on a single huge piece of paper.
     

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  5. richard carr

    richard carr Western Thunderer

    Phil

    I'm in Tokyo this week but I will take a look when I get back and while I'm here I'll look at uploading a drawing.

    Richard
     
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  6. BrushType4

    BrushType4 Western Thunderer

    ok, I've got the track plan into Templot and laid a small section. Now the hard part...

    KX Templot.jpeg

    I'll start a workbench thread and continue...
     
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  7. JimG

    JimG Western Thunderer

    It doesn't look too bad. :) Is that a Barry slip at 2700,450?

    Jim.
     
  8. BrushType4

    BrushType4 Western Thunderer

    Yeah, it was a brexitup with the dxf import.
     
  9. richard carr

    richard carr Western Thunderer

    It looks like you are managing just fine on your Phil.

    What is the minimum radius coming out at ?
     
  10. John K

    John K Western Thunderer

    Love it!
    John
     
  11. Michael D

    Michael D Western Thunderer

    Good stuff!
    Itll be fun templot telling you what the point diameters are.
    When i was going through the same process with Bow Junction it gave me the extremes of a 1:12 to a three way 1:5 in the yard! I dont think ill try that one somehow!?!?!
    But its a fascinating process to find out what the prototype actually did.
    Look forward to seeing more of this....
    Bestwishes Michael
     
  12. BrushType4

    BrushType4 Western Thunderer

    Well, after several hours and many redo's I've done very little....

    Progress.jpeg

    My track plan was traced off an original BR plan but I keep coming up against radius under 1750mm, I know the actual site was tight and buffers were often knocked off on the 40's so I may be ok.

    The Templot manual isn't finished and I understand that Martin is doing this slowly but working through the forum for answers is hard work.

    Trying to work out transitional curves and how does one join track between two existing pieces??? and three ways?? :headbang:
     
  13. BrushType4

    BrushType4 Western Thunderer

    Pulling my hair out and not sure I'm making progress exactly, but I have bits of track laid...

    Progress.jpeg
     
  14. simond

    simond Western Thunderer

    Phil,

    Templot is a bit like that, you bang your head on the wall for hours then suddenly pennies drop and clicks do what you thought they would.

    Hang in there, it’ll happen in a minute, or two...

    Best
    Simon
     
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  15. BrushType4

    BrushType4 Western Thunderer

    Its frustrating and strangely satisfying at the same time....

    I made a crossing but still not sure why I have missing rails...

    Progress.jpeg
     
  16. martin_wynne

    martin_wynne Western Thunderer

    Hi Phil,

    I don't have a lot of sympathy. On the download page, and the front page of the Templot Club forum is this message:
    how_not_to_start.png
    One of the reasons I get so downhearted about spending hours and hours on the docs and videos is that I know so many folks simply won't read them. I often feel like giving up. :(

    If you had started off learning Templot on a simple branch terminus as an exercise, you would find it so much easier to create your intended layout plan afterwards.
    Linking between existing templates: link between existing templates

    3-way turnouts: 3-way tandem turnouts

    I have recently written this temporary page as a sort of reminder of what Templot is about and how it is intended to work: 99. origins, methods and intent

    cheers,

    Martin.
     
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  17. richard carr

    richard carr Western Thunderer

    Martyn

    Please please don't give up, Templot is brilliant, but sadly enough people are not prepared to make the effort to learn how it works to get the best from it.

    I'll be designing my diesel loco yard with it shortly.

    Richard
     
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  18. martin_wynne

    martin_wynne Western Thunderer

    Hi Phil,

    see: 214a changes - new peg positions TEXITP and TMINP - Templot talk - Forums - Templot Club

    from which "Setting the minimum possible turnout-road exit is helpful to minimize any discrepancies after inserting a diamond-crossing or a turnout at the intersection of other templates. The underlying template can then be split and shortened back to the exit."

    If that's not wanted, click the turnout-road exit back to normal after creating the half-diamonds:

    tminp.png

    The minimum option is also useful when you want the radius in the exit to differ from the native regular/generic or curviform settings.

    cheers,

    Martin.
     
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  19. BrushType4

    BrushType4 Western Thunderer

    No sympathy required and as with any computer package a learning curve is required. I’ve found Templot to be no different but does have the added complexity of necessarily having many terms that are not intuitively obvious. So a little more effort is required to learn and for myself at least, to relearn every time I come back to it.

    I’m actually pretty pleased how I’m getting on and I’m enjoying the process.

    I’ll keep the plugging away and working through the tutorials and the forum. I did find that the video links are broken. Are these out of date now or is that a genuine bug?

    I know you’ll shake your head in frustration and I should go and read the bloody manual but is there a ‘New’ button option for starting a fresh plan?
     
  20. martin_wynne

    martin_wynne Western Thunderer

    Hi Phil,

    So why the "pulling my hair out" and "now the hard part" style of posts here and elsewhere? The constant refrain of "Templot is all so difficult" around the hobby doesn't encourage anyone to have a go and find their own enjoyment in the track planning process.
    I've removed them for two reasons. They are all very out of date and I'm gradually replacing them with updated versions. But also as .exe files they keep getting stuck in folks anti-virus settings and it is just too much work to keep explaining to folks about switching off anti-virus and clicking past security warnings. The Flash versions are no longer supported on many browser/devices and nowadays throw up similar warnings. I'm trying to reduce the amount of sheer work involved in supporting Templot, it is becoming too much of a burden to keep explaining this stuff. The latest videos are in non-executable FBR format which downloads nicely and plays with much better quality in Templot's own video player.
    Just clear the trackpad:

    clear_all.png

    And the same with the background shapes if you don't want them:

    clear_all_shapes.png

    If you have specific starting conditions for new work, you can create files called start.box and start.bgs which are loaded automatically. Then simply quit and restart Templot. This is a good way of not forgetting to set your gauge/scale.

    cheers,

    Martin.
     
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