7mm The Derby Line - The Four Horseboxes of the Approximate Kits

Discussion in 'Area 51' started by dibateg, 29 October 2011.

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  1. dibateg

    dibateg Western Thunderer

    As requested,
    here is an inverted shot of the Fairburn. Below running plate level the kit is pretty dire. It was probably ok 20 years ago or so when it was introduced. So there are some massive changes to be performed. MOK Standard 4 Cylinders and motion bracket - all modified to suit a Fairburn. At least the cylinders now look the right size and the motion bracket is in the right place! How many made up ones have you seen with ridiculously long slidebars 'cos DJH but the motion bracket too far back? Griffin slidebars, crossheads, steps, cylinder drains and buffer beam brackets. JLTRT buffers, springs from somewhere I can't rememeber.
    I 'm just setting out the rear frames, the shape is completely wrong, so I shall make new ones. So it's just a glorified scratch build again. It will look better with the wheels on, but the balance weight glue is setting!

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  2. dibateg

    dibateg Western Thunderer

    And here is the K3, awaiting lining and weathering of the chassis. Trouble is I can't decide to line it myself or farm the job out...
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  3. 7mmMick

    7mmMick Western Thunderer

    Lovely job on the K3 Tony, this class is a favourate of mine and all that buggering about you did has been well worth it IMHO. She'd look cracking on a Hull fish train. If you tackle it yourself will it be fox's lining ? :bowdown::thumbs:

    ATB Mick
     
  4. Scale7JB

    Scale7JB Western Thunderer

    K3 looks very nice...!!

    JB.
     
  5. Steph Dale

    Steph Dale Western Thunderer

    Tony, I didn't even get that far with mine and sold it before I got much further than knocking a couple of parts out of the frets. Added to which it was just a few months late for the layout (IIRC they didn't turn up on the Central Section of the Southern until '51).

    A shame really. If someone made a decent kit that covered all the (many) variants they'd probably do quite well as the prototype was popular, widespread and relatively long lasting...

    Steph
     
  6. dibateg

    dibateg Western Thunderer

    Hi Steph -
    I think you might have done the right thing - but now I've got this far! Trouble is the DJH kit is well established in the market, and that doesn't make it an attractive proposition to another supplier.
    I've replaced the rear end frames as they were completely the wrong shape and added rivit detail. The etched steps were woeful, so I fabricated them up from nickle silver strip and 3x1mm angle from Eileens for the steps. The middle step is supported by a 0.6 wire running underneath it and through holes drilled in the side frames. The sieve box is a Griffin Ivatt one and the injector is a modified HobbyHorse Duchess one! I fabricated the outrigger and injector bracket from scrap etch. Two evenings work to get these details done, so this project is taking up an inordinate amount of time.
    So next, is the other injector, the rear steps ( they are not in line with the buffer beam, but set behind it ). There is nothing I can do about the lip above the rear buffer beam ( it should be higher ), I wish I'd spotted that before I'd started.
    The I have to work out if I can make the oval buffers working, possibly by cutting some sort of slot in the underside of the buffer housing...

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    Regards

    Tony
     
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  7. dibateg

    dibateg Western Thunderer

    Oh - ATB Mick
    Lining :- Fox if I do it myself, you'll also be heartened to know that the loco will be 61974 - a Hull resident! She was at Colwick before that.

    Regards
     
  8. 7mmMick

    7mmMick Western Thunderer

    Absolutley, 53A all the way :)) The fairburn is coming on well by the way,

    Mick
     
  9. Steph Dale

    Steph Dale Western Thunderer

    Tony,

    I'm sure I'll live without one until MOK or similar turn one out - for a start I've got a couple of older and prettier Brighton tanks to build first (Marsh's glorious 'J' class 4-6-2T). Oh and stopping the buffer heads turning? You could try fitting the loco with the gussets behind the bufferbeams. If you space them the width across the flats of the nut used to hold the buffer heads/shanks, that'd stop the head turning. I recently managed it, strangely enough on a loco with normal buffer heads. All due apologies for the shoddy camerawork...:

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    Steph
     
  10. dibateg

    dibateg Western Thunderer

    Thanks Steph, very neat, unfortunately it won't quite work on the Fairburn as there is the Griffin re-inforcing bracket there - but food for thought... I must confess my ignorance of the J class, but I'm sure Heyside Roger will enlighten me!

    Tony
     
  11. dibateg

    dibateg Western Thunderer

    At last it's starting to look something like a Fairburn!
    There is really just the motion, buffers, brakes, pipework and sundry detail to finish - apart from getting to actually work of course! From this - you can see how much better the front end looks, with the correctly positioned motion bracket and proper size cylinders...

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  12. Scale7JB

    Scale7JB Western Thunderer

    Is that one of those 2-2-2-2-4 wheel arrangement Fairburns ?

    JB.
     
  13. Rob Pulham

    Rob Pulham Western Thunderer

    It looks superb Tony, well worth the additional effort (and no doubt frustrations):bowdown::thumbs:
     
  14. dibateg

    dibateg Western Thunderer

    Thanks Rob -
    just the valve gear, brakes and tidying up to do now - then I have to get it running. There are a few compromises I've had to live with. The front end relationship is up the creek somwhere to I've had to extend the running plate by 2mm to get it to balance. I've a feeling the boiler is slightly too long and that the smokebox diameter is slightly small. A days work on Friday saw all the pipework completed and the rear buffer beam area finished. The back end looks so much better with a proper bogie and the bracket behind the buffer beam. Anyway - nearly there...
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  15. D1054

    D1054 Western Thunderer

    Cracking job. Really looks the part.:thumbs:
     
  16. dibateg

    dibateg Western Thunderer

    After a marathon effort at last I'm close to finishing the Fairburn, the last fiddly bits and pieces take so much time to sort out. But here she is after running up and down under power, ready for testing:-

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  17. Dikitriki

    Dikitriki Flying Squad

    Yeah, another corking Heyside engine:) Oh, what do you mean you want it for the Derby Line......

    Richard
     
  18. Dan Randall

    Dan Randall Western Thunderer

    That looks superb! Well done Tony. :thumbs:

    Regards

    Dan
     
  19. 28ten

    28ten Guv'nor

    Nice job :thumbs: dare I ask what the Derby line is? :)
     
  20. dibateg

    dibateg Western Thunderer

    Thanks Guys -
    The Derby Line is my intended model of West Hallam on the GN line from Nottingham to Derby. It's been in the planning stage for a long time. I have the building, but not the time at the moment, although there are background tasks taking place to bring it closer, going on.

    Cheers

    Tony
     
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