The Wallows another Earl of Dudley 0 gauge micro

makhis

Western Thunderer
Haven't posted for the best part of some considerable time so here goes. The Wallows is a 9ft portable layout over 3 baseboards. The principle structures are Harts Hill Iron Works and Old Park Engineering. The Fiddle-yard board still W.I.P. will have the canal and factories as a view blocker. So in the spirit of WT here are some photos of work so far.
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Jordan

Mid-Western Thunderer
Been following this Over There.

Amazing what you knock up over a weekend, Mike!! :D ;) :thumbs:
 

geoff_nicholls

Western Thunderer
I was reminded of your efforts last weekend, when we visited Elsecar. Similar operation, different Earl: Fitzwilliam.
Lovely.
 

makhis

Western Thunderer
Exit stage right, OK., exit to fiddle yard. Just a trial bodge up to see if my cunning plan actually will work. Shoved a couple of bits of ply to act as canal level and tried the Joey/BCN Day boat I've just started work on just for effect.
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steve50

Western Thunderer
Looks good, have you got a track plan you could post please? I agree with the earlier post, it looks bigger than 9ft.
Great stuff!
Steve.
 

Overseer

Western Thunderer
I know this isn't a boat modelling forum but it would be nice to see an accurate model narrowboat every so often. The hull looked good but the cabin isn't looking plausible. Joeys, being day boats, very rarely had a cabin. And when they did it would be low height above the hull sides like the cabin on a butty or horse drawn narrow boat. Only motor boats (including steamers) had taller cabins because the rear end always sits down in the water even when the boat is unloaded so the cabin will fit under bridges and tunnels, and the cabin floor is often raised to clear the prop shaft. On butties the cabin has to be low so the air draft is not too high when the boat is empty. Also the low height cabins on butties were the full width of the hull while the cabins on motors have a narrow walkway down each side, due to being too tall to easily climb over.

Sorry, I will pipe down now. The layout is looking good and I know the boat is only a part of the scene.
 

Overseer

Western Thunderer
Sorry, I didn't want to be critical but I lived on a narrowboat for five years and have an interest in canal history. I wouldn't have commented if you had said it was a generic narrowboat rather than a distinctive Joey. The Joeys were so typical of Birmingham that a model of one would add an extra dimension to the layout, though it would probably have to be explained to most viewers, and they didn't have the colour of the family boats.
 

makhis

Western Thunderer
"Sorry, I didn't want to be critical but" The clue to the build of the day boat/ joey is my comment on it being the back of an envelope type modelling. The Harts Hill Iron boats had no cabin and had a riveted hull, I know the stem and stern decking is wrong but it was the only way I could think of to stabilise the sides as I don't usually work in styrene. It is as is the rest of the layout a compromise and I do not claim it to be any more than what it is; a bodge job, plus it's set in the 1950's and would more than likely have been painted in British Waterways colours not that I profess to have your depth of knowledge. Of course the layout and the Pensnett Canal arm are in the Black Country. Hey ho I'll just bumble on and enjoy my muddling/ modelling .
 

Stoke5D

Western Thunderer
This layout looks like lots of fun, which is always important.

I found Overseer's input on narrow boats interesting and useful but I've often thought that for people sharing their work we should create some sort of coding system for comments so that no one inadvertently causes offence. It could be as simple as:

'Lovely, cuddly comments and attaboys only please', or; 'let me have it; both barrels'. Or perhaps something more nuanced.

Just a thought...


Andrew
 

makhis

Western Thunderer
This layout looks like lots of fun, which is always important.

I found Overseer's input on narrow boats interesting and useful but I've often thought that for people sharing their work we should create some sort of coding system for comments so that no one inadvertently causes offence. It could be as simple as:

'Lovely, cuddly comments and attaboys only please', or; 'let me have it; both barrels'. Or perhaps something more nuanced.

Just a thought...


Andrew
How about, I value your comments but I haven't told you what they are yet. I have always found that what comes after But is usually bull sh*t and what comes after However is usually horse sh*t.
Just a thought.........
So no more posts from me.
 

jamiepage

Western Thunderer
'I have always found that what comes after But is usually bull sh*t and what comes after However is usually horse sh*t.'

Well, have to say I haven't found that at all.

Sometimes what has followed the But or However has then been discarded, but I've learnt to always listen to what's coming and think about it.
It has almost universally been offered for the very best of reasons.
Sometimes it has stopped me doing something quite stupid and, once, very stupid.
But that's just in real life. It's been quite useful in something as inconsequential as modelling as well!

Never too old and all that, and I'd always assumed that one aspect of 'show and tell', was also to listen.

I thought Overseer's post was polite and constructive; characteristics that set this forum apart, rather..
 

oldravendale

Western Thunderer
Hmmm. I rather agree, Jamie. I read the comments as very constructive - if I was involved I'd have been taken aback for sure, (look at the comment about the corners of the "K" tender) but regarded the comments from someone who understands the nuances to be helpful.

If you're reading this, makhis, (sorry, I don't have a proper "handle"), look at the number of "likes" you have. There are a lot of members of this forum, including me, who have no understanding of narrow boats. Please don't take offence at what was surely intended as a constructive comment. Personally I'm very interested to see how this layout progresses.

Brian
 

makhis

Western Thunderer
Hmmm. I rather agree, Jamie. I read the comments as very constructive - if I was involved I'd have been taken aback for sure, (look at the comment about the corners of the "K" tender) but regarded the comments from someone who understands the nuances to be helpful.

If you're reading this, makhis, (sorry, I don't have a proper "handle"), look at the number of "likes" you have. There are a lot of members of this forum, including me, who have no understanding of narrow boats. Please don't take offence at what was surely intended as a constructive comment. Personally I'm very interested to see how this layout progresses.

Brian
There are good days and some not so good, today is and OK day. For the past 6 months I have been suffering from a serious skin condition which is on both my hands and arms. On a good day I’m reasonable on a bad day I’m irritable. Yesterday was not a good day. I found Fraser’s post informative and instructive, now here’s the rub, criticism or to be polite feedback should be given using the formula + - + something positive followed by any negative comments then with a positive ending. The use of BUT after sorry or other wording simply means that you are not really sorry at all. The following post about coded feedback I just didn’t get, was it meant to funny or sarcastic? I really shouldn’t have responded. Yesterday was a bad day. So what on earth am I rambling on about? Suffice to say I will no longer be posting on the forum. I will continue to follow some of the threads particularly Heather's and Peters. So I remain a member just watching/lurking.
 

adrian

Flying Squad
No, it doesn't.
I'd agree, to me "I'm sorry but" is more trying to say "I hate to say this" or "I mention this with misgivings" however not everyone sees it in this way, Mike obviously interprets it differently. I think this is different to "I don't mean to be critical* but" (* or judgemental etc ) where they know they are being critical and trying to absolve themselves, which I presume is how Mike viewed it.

criticism or to be polite feedback should be given using the formula + - + something positive followed by any negative comments then with a positive ending.
I agree and if you take a dispassionate look at Overseers post he did follow that "convention", he started with a positive in that the hull looks good, he explained the issue he had with the cabin including his reasoning for his misgivings and he finished with a positive about the layout looking good.
 
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