7mm US model dabblings

Tim Humphreys ex Mudhen

Western Thunderer
Sounds like a great trip Mick, looking forward to seeing the snaps. I'm sure there's no need to tell you but rent a small SUV rather than a car , it will make the dirt track driving much easier. Saying that my last car rental agreement forbid it's use off tarmac although I ignored the advice!
Tim
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Tim, exactly they're all like that, just fell down that trap the other day and spent hours researching. They'll willingly rent you a SUV but you're not allowed to take it off a paved road....even though their advertising brochures show them off road and in 'forbidden' areas!....even if your camp site is ½ mile down a well maintained gravel road, told one family to leave it at the entrance, but then told them that the insurance would be void as it was then parked in a non secure area....go figure.

It's only really a problem if it breaks down somewhere it shouldn't be or there's an accident, one guy broke down four miles from the road, asked the BNSF MOW crew to tow him to the main road and then rang them to come and fix it :thumbs: so long as it's not caked in mud it's hard for them to prove. I've checked all my photo sites and only three are not near a paved road, god bless Route 66!

For Cajon I've got a couple of reasonably secure car parks and then going to hike, I actually prefer that to be honest, less chance of being picked up by the railroad police and hired security who appear to pick on people in vehicles on the USFS roads. It's actually shorter in some cases, getting from CP Silverwood to Alray is a five mile drive, three on sandy off road USFS roads, yet a hike along the trails along side the line is 2 miles and you get to take pictures as you go.

I've booked a intermediate SUV, don't need a big one to be honest and most places I want to visit are less than 1 mile from the road so I'll just hike there or maybe take the risk depending on how I feel.

Watching the Hesperia cam this morning and there's been four UP trains in half an hour so maybe they're doing MOW on their line down the hill and running everything up the BNSF main under running rights. Handy as at this point the lines are miles apart and having everything on these two lines makes it a very busy place to be.

Flagstaff busy too, seven trains on 90 minutes, mornings so far these last two days seem to be where it's at.
 

adrian

Flying Squad
I'm sure there's no need to tell you but rent a small SUV rather than a car , it will make the dirt track driving much easier. Saying that my last car rental agreement forbid it's use off tarmac although I ignored the advice!
I didn't ignore the advice I just didn't read the rental agreement.:oops: We we flew into Denver and I broke the hire car within a day the exhaust manifold recirculation system blew and it sounded like a tractor. I just might of neglected to mention that I'd driven it up to 14,115ft (Pikes Peak) in those days the top half was still gravel track. They replaced it with an "SUV", but that was a GMC Jimmy and to be honest that was the biggest piece of crap I've ever driven and I had an old rear engine Skoda 120L in the dim and distant past!!:eek:
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Quick update, it's late and I've an early start tomorrow. Got to Flagstaff around 3pm and after sorting a few bits out managed to grab a couple of hours from 5 till the sun went down at 7 ish. Saw more trains in two hours than two days in Florida!

Location is Cosnino just East of Flagstaff and I've tried to avoid the usual spots, easy to see, flattened soil and brush cleared away. West bound (WB) is up hill, a big long one, 6000 feet climb in 50 or something miles, haven't sorted all my notes out yet so tha's just roughly; they're not moving too quick. East bound (EB) is down hill so full dynamics brakes. It doesn't look steep here and to be fair these short section are relatively flat, but there's an other 2 miles of train behind on the hill, higher or lower.

First up a WB crawls up the grade, about 12 mph or so.
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Even against the strong prevailing wind these could be head several miles away, whilst that was still passing a EB with flanges screaming sweeps round the curve.IMG_1607.jpg

About five minutes later another WB, this one was on it's knees, no more than 8 but more like 5mphIMG_1640.jpg

No sooner had that passed and another EB sweeps into view with the sun really low in the sky.IMG_1669.jpg

As a double bonus the DPU was NS, simply marvelous.
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Last one after the sun had fully set was a WB worm, so called as it's just one big long brown grain hopper train, this one fully loaded for export, up front and ruined because the battery was nearly flat and I fumbled with a wrong setting, was four GM units, very rare to see these on Transcon2, even rarer on the head and four as well is lottery time. Better yet they were BNSF, CN , NS, NS! I've one blurred shot as a momento the rest are shite, but I did get a going away shot of the DPU's
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I think the lead unit is a Dash 9 or AC44 and the exhaust looked like it had a different cap on (modification), needless to say it outshouted it's fellow by some significant margin.

Enjoy
 
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Steve Cook

Flying Squad
Love it Mick, keep 'em coming :)

I've spent a fair bit of time in Flagstaff and surrounding areas, unfortunately always working so never with the chance to go railfanning - could always hear them though. Looking forward to seeing Cajon through your lens, that is the one time I did get a few hours to go and watch, it left quite an impression :)

Steve
 

Big Train James

Western Thunderer
I see all Gevo's except the middle unit in the third shot, the NS unit, and the furthest away unit in the last photo. As to AC vs. DC, I can only usually tell if I can read the model designation under the cab, or see the big inverter box behind the cab on the conductor's side of the loco (as seen in the trailing unit in the last photo, with the "x" panels on them).

If the unit you reference with the unusual stack had a big boxy housing in front of the radiator housing, then it might have been one of the new Tier 4 locos rather than a modification. Or not. But I don't see any Tier 4 locos in any of these pics, as the radiator housing is also quite different (it's taller and pointy on top, with four slanted screens underneath) from even the previous generation Gevo's.

Here's a good photo of the Tier 4 radiator section. Photo by Pdxrailtransit.
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oldravendale

Western Thunderer
Quick update, it's late and I've an early start tomorrow. Got to Flagstaff around 3pm and after sorting a few bits out managed to grab a couple of hours from 5 till the sun went down at 7 ish. Saw more trains in two hours than two days in Florida!

Just wonderful pics, Mick.

Brian
 

Rob R

Western Thunderer
Superb Mick.
Flying home tonight and todays walk by of Peachtree photo spots has drawn a blank so far:(
Good hunting for the rest of your trip.
Rob (roasting in Georgia)
 
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mickoo

Western Thunderer
James, they're all GEVO's except the two you note which are (without checking numbers) Dash 9's.

The box affair is definitely over the exhaust and only fitted to the older (some since returned to service from storage this year) ATSF Dash 9s, think I might have got a photo of one today, not processed the images as yet, will do after a bite to eat, and no, no Tier4s yet which is a shame.
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Ok long day today and I cut it short early as I'd fulfilled my spots I wanted to do and found some new ones.

I have no idea how many trains I saw, just dozens and have picked the best and will split over two posts.

First up an eventful morning at the Route 66 overbridge at, at well no where, it's between Flagstaff and Cosnino where we were last night. There's a couple of tracks called lightening tree lane and surveying the surrounding trees I can see where it's name came from!

Anyway, first up was a EB rolling down grade
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Next a very sick trailing unit on a WB clears it's lungs.
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The line is a bit up and down but still all basically up hill, he was running under a flashing amber but it went green as he rounded the corner and then opened them up.

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That's better, nice hot stacks to clear away the clag.

About 20 minutes later, there were several EB in the mean time but same angles just different engines for data really and this EB rolled by a stalled WB.
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The fourth unit, a restored to service ATSF Dash nine had overheated on the climb up from Winslow, you can just see the engineers truck by the track, anyway after about 20 minutes they 'made some adjustments' as I found out later when the engineer drove back past me it got under way but only just.
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At this stage its doing all of 1 maybe 2mph and struggling like mad to keep moving, as the fourth engine passed it was clearly not well and kept unloading, pausing then ramping back up, it just would not take run 8 and sounded more like 4 or 5 as the whole lot limped past. Most trains pass in 3 or 4 minutes, this one took nearly 15.

After that it was a drive out to the obligatory shot at Winona, I don't overly like the location myself, it has nothing to work with and there must be 50,000 photos taken from this almost exact same spot since the 50's. I do have a couple of spots picked out way up there mid right hand side so might try to work the sun there at some point. Anyway this was rolling under the bridge as I drove over so it was a quick bail out and DPU grab shot from the bridge.
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There's a hateful wire right across the middle and to get under that you need to move closer to the grassy knoll, but then you loose the height angle and the shot just does not work, not through my view finder it didn't, so I left for pastures new. I'll cheat and photo edit out the wire on the final full size version.
 
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mickoo

Western Thunderer
Next up was a decamp to the other side of the continental divide and I started near Bellemont, not many photos from round here and you have to trek or work the scenery to get it to play nicely. One other downside is that it's not somewhere the crews often see photographers and every pass was met with horns and bells and the odd wave. At the more common spots they just wave as they're comfortable your a spotter.

First up a EB starts the real hard climb up to Riordan which is the summit about 3 miles away.
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I just cannot emphasize how steep this transition is, not that the flatter part is flat, just less steep!

This was followed closely by a WB in full dynamic brake.
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Already the brake is smoking heavily and there's another 70 odd miles to go down hill from 7000' to about 400' ASL.

Behind me is a large S curve and the photos I took were into the sun and not too clever. so I will go back and redo them at some point later in the afternoon, but, a quick half mile drive gets you to the top of the short stiff grade and S curve.
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Again I just cannot convey how steep this section is, I'll have to look at the ATSF track charts I have and see how steep it really is, anyway a EB is going fine, making about 30 mph at this stage and the track levels out a bit ready for the final big push up to the summit.

By the time the DPU passes the train is fully on the hill and has slowed to a crawl.
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You can see the start of the next big climb in the back ground.

Moving further East up to near where that bush is in the last photo you get them cresting the rise and onto the less severe stretch.
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Nice SD70ACe leader on this train, turning around we have a meet as a WB slips down the grade.
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Finally one last WB sliding down the grade, speed picks up real fast here and is limited to 65 down hill from here and they soon get up to that speed.
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Moving further East back toward Flagstaff we come to the other side of the divide near I40, another obligatory photo site but a nice one none the less.
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Another WB crawls up the hill toward the summit less than half mile behind me. I've never seen any shots from that hill behind the engine looking back up the hill toward the summit in the morning spot that's a definite for me to pick off as it'll be a new angle. It'll be a small window first thing, the sun will be on the nose all morning but might be on the back flank except for a short while just after sun up, I'll have to see.

Moving back to the Route 66 bridge a EB now back lit rolls down grade.
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Followed closely by three WB, same area just slightly different angles.
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The bridge one has had to be cropped a bit on the left, the pillars have some particularly distasteful graffiti which I'll photo edit out on the full image. The bridge has sloped areas where to can climb up underneath, handy if it's raining! But standing under there when one if these goes by at 5mph is astounding, the noise and reverb is deafening.

Last but no least I went for a walk into the distance in the last shots and around the bend, there's a nice area quite well closed in with scenery for some good shots and I grabbed this WB really flying up the hill on a Z train and bang road too which means he was swapped over to probably pass the previous slow moving stackers.
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Both tracks on Transcon2, certainly around here, are Bi-Di signaled and it's not uncommon for them to pass slower trains with priority Z trains, even racing up the hill side by side.

Ok that's enough for one day, time to work out tomorrows sites, couple of quick revisits from today and then onto some now ones, might work more westward toward Williams junction and Maine crossover, maybe pick up Pica and Yampai summit, yes I know, another summit going downhill? but it's a small blip on the downward side, well more than a blip!

Finally, these are all processed on the lap top so contrast and saturation levels etc might be a bit off, I seem to recall my Florida ones were not as good as if they had been done on the big tower PC and large screen, mind I think that's now beginning to dull so a new screen might be in order soon.

Enjoy
 
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Big Train James

Western Thunderer
Great shots, good to see that the train volume and weather are both cooperating. And knowing you are a GE fan, you must be happier than a pig in :shit: with the locomotive allocations so far. Personally I'd be missing my EMD's already.

Btw, second unit in the last photo is a Tier 4 unit. Not sure if this photo happened before or after your earlier comment. I'm sure it won't be the last one that comes your way.

Are you using any sort of really long telephoto lens that accentuates the grades? Or are these fairly representative of the actual grade transitions?

Jim
 

allegheny1600

Western Thunderer
Hi Mick,
Lovely shots there, buddy! I really like that last one of 8052 and her mates because the trees and vegetation in the background are nice and sharp, except where the exhaust is creating havoc - just lovely. The earlier shot of 8005 passing a WB JB Hunt stacker - very dramatic too.
The meet on that grade though, awesome!!!
I love those clear blue skies, what daytime temperatures are you getting?
Cheers,
John.
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Jim, yes my comment was before I'd trawled through the days photos, to be fair there's, how shall I say, just too much to take in and I'm just banging away with the shutter then I put the camera down and take in the scene as it passes. It's to easy to stay behind the view finder and miss the environment. I'll digest more when I get home and work my way through the photos, these are just snap shots of the days events and not all the trains or places I visited.

The GE's are awesome.....I can say that word as I'm in the US!...Wife hates that word lol...the stack chat is incredibly loud. Mind the EMD's have less of their characteristic ying ying under full load but they only come in ones and twos so get drowned out by the GE's.

Train volume is about four or five an hour, there was a break yesterday around 10-12 and everything was on M2, I think going around that sick old ATSF unit sat in Flagstaff, thought I never saw that pass me at Bellemont later, probably did when I had a little nap as the jet lag caught up. On that grade on the west side after 12 noon it was a train every 5 - 10 minutes.

I am using a telephoto lens so yes some of the grade will be amplified but trust me it's just as steep and dramatic in real life, the problem with using a standard lens is that you just can't capture the power or closeness of it all and being as everything is so vast it loses that impact.

That last shot of 7200 coming down the hill is like a roller coaster and that's with the lens fully pulled back to 70mm. I know Cajon is steeper, for the life of me I can't work that out because this to me is already visually very steep so I'm expecting to be even more amazed next week when I get there.

John, that's the idea, I like scenery like this as a back drop it adds something extra for me and as you noticed, the exhaust can clearly be seen. Weather is perfect, they had some cloud last week (was watching the Flagstaff station live cam most days) but it's fine here now. Temperature was -3 the first night and -1 last night, daytime it's around 12-13 but windy, very windy up in those mountains.

Right, catch y'all later, had bit of lie in this morning so no off out the door at 07:30 and up to the location I was at last night, the best name I can find on the map is near Naval Observation hill.

Mick D
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Another mixed bag day, after my last things went down hill a bit with mobile phones and crap like that, ended up arguing with my provider, telling them to sod off and buying a burner phone, cheap enough but shouldn't have to when your own phone is supposed to work abroad, pillocks!

So, two hours later it was off to a spot I picked on Bing maps, Belle Spring Road.

Even shooting into the sun I knew this was going to be a good location, such that I came back at the end of the day for the sun in the West, first up a WB crawls up the hill.
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With a nice pair of DPU's giving a big push.
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Followed closely by a EB which caught me out of position with the shrubbery.
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Moments later another WB climbed the hill past the still descending East bound.
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After that it was time to head to the cliff I'd spotted at Naval Observatory Road. First up was an EB rolling down the hill, at this point he had just switched from run 8 to idle and then a few moments later to dynamics. The top of the hill is about 10 wagons or so behind the very last trailer you can just see.
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Several other EB's passed, nothing special, just double stackers and one manifest, I was waiting for a WB to get a high tight shot, eventually one did turn up but the sound of the flange squeal on the EB drowned out his approach from under the bridge so it was a rushed grab shot, need to go back and get a better one.
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About this time things seemed to dry up and it was pretty hit and miss for the next four hours, I did grab one more nice going away DPU shot here before moving on.
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Next up was Maine, it's Maine, one of those bucket list places, there's only really one angle though I did find one about a mile away that will work better early in the morning. A WB rolls down the hill, in the background you can see it switching from M1 to M2 and work wrong road, they did this all afternoon, the crossover point moving west as the afternoon wore on, which basically made it single line working. You'd get two or three one way then half an hour later two or three the other, very bitty.
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After waiting 40 minutes for the green signaled EB I decided to move on.
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Although shooting directly into the sun it does show the grade change nicely, but it's a poor location and even this shot in the morning would still have the flanks in shadow. This poor train was really struggling, the CSX unit had shut down and was just in idle, the two lead locos doing all the work and with no DPU to help either.

So ends Part 1
 
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mickoo

Western Thunderer
Part 2, moving ever westward it was onto S Garland Prairie Road, another spot picked up on Bing and Google road. It should of been Chalender but I forgot and missed the turning, I'll pick that and Williams off tomorrow hopefully.

First up a EB comes up the hill, not to shabby either, in the very far distance you can see the signals for Williams Jct and the split from Transcon to to Phoenix.
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The original line once went this way with the junction being after Williams at Ash Fork, but to ease the grade the ATSF built the Crookton cut off which bypasses Williams and heads in a big loop north until it joins back onto the original line at....yes you guessed it....Crookton. It's very scenic but totally inaccessible unless you own a bloody great big 4WD with high clearance and use forestry roads.

As the EB rolled by I spotted a WB approaching, luckily for me he needed to switch from M1 to M2 at Williams so held short of the crossing until the EB had passed, thus giving a nice passing shot with the DPU.

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A while later another WB rolled down the grade toward Williams.

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A quick change of location to shoot into the sun finds a EB manifest growling up the hill.

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Two Gevos and two SD70Aces, the first being NS as a bonus. I'd opted to switch sides as I'd decided it was time to head back to Belle Spring Road form some sunset shots, so after bagging this shot I had a little race with this train to the next location 12 miles away, I won, but not by many minutes it has to be said.

But, before he arrived a WB crawled up the hill, headed by two Tier 4 engines. Before I even saw it I was suspect of the head end power, they certainly do not sound like any of the previous GE's I've heard, more of a whine to them than the guttural chug associated with GE, still sound bloody awesome though, especially in confined areas like this.

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As a comparison the DPU's were pure old school, their exhausts going sky high.

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Shortly afterward out manifest rounds the curve, brake dust and heat swirling from the train, not seen that before so maybe one of the engines dynamics has failed.

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It was so close behind the last train I again got caught out of location with the shrubbery, meh. Things were hotting up now after the afternoons drought and spotty service, no sooner had the EB passed then another EB wound down the hill with Autoracks, photos not great so not posted, but as soon as he passed another WB crawls up the hill. I think I can work this angle again but from that rock on the RH side of the image, just have to hope a EB isn't rolling down and blocks the view. I'd like to see what's around that corner as well if I get time to hike there.

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After that A change of location for the last train of the day, another WB comes up around the bend, not the best of locations here so I couldn't use the big long lens power shot, so went for the shorter focal lens and scenery approach.

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And just because I can I opened it up to wide angle and have to say, bagged one of the better shots so far.

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A real nice calendar shot for the collection, by this time my shadow was about 15 feet long and five minutes after this the sun dropped into some clag and it was time to leave.

And so ends another day on Transcon2, hope it's not boring y'all to death, I am only posting up the best shots of the day, honest lol.

Mick D
 
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mickoo

Western Thunderer
Definitely not Mick, enjoying the photos and the efforts you are putting in to get them.
Steve
Steve, glad y'all like them, to be fair the effort is the fun part, I see little enjoyment pitching up at a grade crossing or railroad bridge and camping out for the day. Most of the time you get a while to check out the angles and compose the shot with the scenery, but some times they come thick and fast and you just have to grab what ever you can.
Hi Mick, great stuff, very envious. What sort of focal lengths are you using on the telephoto shots?
atb
Tim
Tim, thanks, the big lens is 70-300 which makes all the difference and I shoot RAW with a full frame sensor so can crop in as well and not loose definition.

If the wind holds off I'll try some video and try to put it on my Youtube page if I can remember how to or even find it :eek:

Mick D
 
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