Computer Aided Wagonry

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SteveO

Guest
I thought you'd never ask...
The etch I designed, in 2mm scale:
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A scale reference... (excuse the fluff)IMG_0984.jpgChassis coming along...IMG_0997.jpgThe cab taking shape...IMG_0999.jpgThe full story is over there in the scratchbuild contest. Will upload the completed body superstructure later tonight.
 
iploffy

iploffy

OC Blue Brigade
I know it's a ride on toy for my 7mm diorama:)), no seriously it looks good mate a bit on the small side but none the less well done
 
iploffy

iploffy

OC Blue Brigade
No silly Red is the colour for danger the boss might close this thread if there is a WISHLIST, BLUE is still the chosen choice of the masses (consult the last Poll:p)
 
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SteveO

Guest
Thanks iploffy. As long as you put it on your layout you can have it after the competition!
 
Jordan

Jordan

Mid-Western Thunderer
iploffy said:
I never said I wanted one or more ( OK it would be nice) you did

WHOOOOOP, WHOOOOOP, WHOOOOOP,

WISHLIST ALERT, WISHLIST ALERT

THE BOSSES HENCHMAN IS BREAKING THE RULES

WHOOOOOP, WHOOOOOP, WHOOOOOP,:))
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As The Guv has expressed his preference for GREEN I claim Diplomatic Immunity..... :p

Anyway RED is half of my most favourite scheme, so I quite like your post there....:D
 
Pugsley

Pugsley

Western Thunderer
Wow Steve, that is very impressive. I never fail to impressed by people working in 2mm scale, it's far too small for me! I'll check out the full story, over there, later on.

There is a possibility of the vans being available at some point in the future, assuming I don't make a complete fist of the design!

The Polybulks will have to wait.... :rolleyes::D
 
Pugsley

Pugsley

Western Thunderer
Doesn't it ever! I reckon I'm up around 30 hours on this project so far, it still only exists virtually, and isn't even anywhere near finished! On the plus side, I'm hoping that the physical construction should be quite quick, but the number of parts to assemble is mounting up - there's around 60 in there already.
 
28ten

28ten

Guv'nor
Pugsley said:
Doesn't it ever! I reckon I'm up around 30 hours on this project so far, it still only exists virtually, and isn't even anywhere near finished! On the plus side, I'm hoping that the physical construction should be quite quick, but the number of parts to assemble is mounting up - there's around 60 in there already.
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I can believe the time taken, and the 3d is more time consuming than 2d. By the time you have flattened it all out and laid out an etch etc etc it really mounts up.
 
Pugsley

Pugsley

Western Thunderer
Whilst the 3d is more time consuming at this stage, I'm hoping that it leads to fewer problems when it comes to the physical build - in theory any clearance issues etc should be picked up beforehand. I hope so, anyway!
 
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djparkins

Western Thunderer
Pugsley said:
Doesn't it ever! I reckon I'm up around 30 hours on this project so far, it still only exists virtually, and isn't even anywhere near finished! On the plus side, I'm hoping that the physical construction should be quite quick, but the number of parts to assemble is mounting up - there's around 60 in there already.
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Blimey - that is quick considering what you have shown on here!
I have spent well over 120 hours on our new Bogie Bolster wagon artwork [2D for etching] - researching as I went - but I didn't consider that as a lot - and I still have instructions to do! I think our Class 60 was about 8 weeks full time work for just the etching artwork.

David Parkins
 
Pugsley

Pugsley

Western Thunderer
Thanks David, maybe I'm doing better than I thought then! There's probably 10 or so hours research time to add to that, the 30ish hours are purely slaving away over the computer drawing stuff (although I could have miscounted, I don't think it's any more than 40 hours at most).

There's still a long way to go though, I reckon it will be somewhere around 100 hours, once I've got everything completed, there's still the doors, roof section and a lot of casting masters to create.
 
28ten

28ten

Guv'nor
djparkins said:
Blimey - that is quick considering what you have shown on here!
I have spent well over 120 hours on our new Bogie Bolster wagon artwork [2D for etching] - researching as I went - but I didn't consider that as a lot - and I still have instructions to do! I think our Class 60 was about 8 weeks full time work for just the etching artwork.

David Parkins
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So do you work solely in 2d?

Pugsley said:
Thanks David, maybe I'm doing better than I thought then! There's probably 10 or so hours research time to add to that, the 30ish hours are purely slaving away over the computer drawing stuff (although I could have miscounted, I don't think it's any more than 40 hours at most).
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A lot also depends how proficient you are with the software, especially the parametric stuff. It does save some some cock ups, but there is no substitute for getting the parts in yer sweaty mits and finding mistakes ;)
 
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djparkins

Western Thunderer
28ten said:
So do you work solely in 2d?
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For etching artwork yes - but parts are sketched out in 3d space to scale material thicknesses to guard against interference fits etc. Large scale mock-ups are printed and made up as test assemblies - that is why your tank wagon kit is [in your words] the only etched kit you have made that almost clips together. This gives the mfr. the confidence to go straight to production in that the design has already been proven. I am not alone amongst manufacturers in using this approach. However lets not go into too much more detail!

It is not the drawing that takes the time - it is the research + the checking & re-checking. I'm sure that if any of you guys add up all the hours you have spent studying photos or drawings or books beforehand then you will arrive at a more serious accounting of your time spent on a project.

A professional kit manufacturer MUST include this time and remember, I come to each project 'cold' on a 'Monday Morning' so to speak, and in my time estimates given in my earlier posting, I include all of my research from point zero. You might be prepared to sit reading books for nothing but I would rather be watching Max Keiser or Julian Assange on Russia Today!

Of course it also comes down to proficiency with the software, as you say - and there I obviously do lack experience with only 700+ photo tools in production [due no doubt to my slow speed!]. I henceforth retire and hand over to you Cynric!

DJP
 
28ten

28ten

Guv'nor
djparkins said:
It is not the drawing that takes the time - it is the research + the checking & re-checking. I'm sure that if any of you guys add up all the hours you have spent studying photos or drawings or books beforehand then you will arrive at a more serious accounting of your time spent on a project.
DJP
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Totally agree, its the research, sketching, and general thinking time that is the unseen cost, and i dont think the average punter realises the amount required for even the most simple project.
I dont think I would fancy etched kit production, so dont get too excited about retirement :)):))
 
adrian

adrian

Flying Squad
28ten said:
Totally agree, its the research, sketching, and general thinking time that is the unseen cost, and i dont think the average punter realises the amount required for even the most simple project.
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I'd like to think some of us understand as it isn't always unseen time, i.e. it's obvious when that time hasn't been invested in a kit. Some of the "value for money" kits have quite patently cut costs by skipping at least one or more of those steps.
 
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