Ian_C's workbench - P4 and S7 allsorts

John57sharp

Western Thunderer
I’ve just finished reading this thread from the start, rationed over a few days to prevent overload. What a magnificent progress this is, staying glued for more, much inspired and already poorer (in money) having ordered more tools.

thanks so much for sharing this in such detail

John
 
Tender brake hangers

Ian_C

Western Thunderer
Those tender brake hangers. Starting with some parts and tools to make the job easier.

a - Brass bosses that will form the boss cast (or forged?) into the lower end of the hanger.
b - A small 'button' to help with marking out and filing the profile of the upper end of the hanger. It's made from silver steel axle rod and hardened.
c - A radius template for marking out the hanger profile. In this case R39.4 (I know...the label's wrong) for the concave side the profile.
d - Another template at R=28.1 for the convex side of the profile.
e - A small piece of 0.97mm NS plate (nominally 1.0mm maybe, but who's arguing about 0.03?), pre-drilled with holes for upper pivot, lower boss, and brake block pin. Six plus a spare (plus a couple of misplaced centre drill dimples!)

hanger parts 1 copy.jpg

Here we go with some actual making...
tender brake hangers story.jpg

1 - The boss holes in the plate are drilled slightly undersize and carefully opened up until the brass bosses are a press fit. The 'button' is fixed to the upper pivot hole with a 14BA screw and nut. With the boss clamped gently in the vice, the radius templates are placed tangent to the boss and the button and the profile is scribed on the plate, taking care to angle the scriber to get the line right up to the edge of the profile. You could do this by marking out and scribing all the curves by compass, but you'd need to start with a bigger piece of plate, and this seems a lot easier when there are several to do.

2 - Profile scribed. The boss is pressed out, and boss and button moved on to the next set of holes. Repeat until done. Worth noting that you need to make a decent depth of scribe mark if you're silver soldering. The soldering and cleaning up process can erode the lines a bit.

3 - The bosses are all pressed into the plate so that they project equally either side. They're made longer than required and will be filed back to the correct length after soldering, so accuracy isn't important. The bosses are silver soldered in place with enough solder to form a fillet around the boss. The idea is that it approximates to a cast or forged part. I formed up small rings of silver solder wire for this to get an even fillet all around. The three left hand hangers have the fillet on one side, and the three right hand hanger have the fillet on the other side. Since they're a press fit, no solder creeps through to the other side. There's no problem having a fillet both sides, but since you can't see one side it didn't seem worth the effort.

4 - The bosses are all filed down the the correct projection of about 0.5mm either side before the hangers are cut from the plate. The hanger profiles are cut roughly from the plate by piercing saw ad nauseam...

5 - The silver steel button is fitted to the upper pivot hole as a filing guide, and the rough hanger is held in the toolmaker's clamp/ instrument maker's vice contraption for filing & finishing.

6 - Time passes...and eventually they're all cleaned up, and approximately the same. They're seen here with some of the 3D printed brake blocks (previous post - from some time back in the Neolithic - it's there if you fancy working back through the thread). An original cast hanger is shown for comparison, and you can see that it's about 1.5mm shorter than the 4,000 gallon Stanier tender GA drawings say it should be. By way of bonus, since the brake block pins are a press fit through the hole in the hanger, the blocks are free to pivot to align with the wheel tread. I'll leave them to do that , just like the prototype, knowing that paint will fix them in position eventually (that's assuming I ever get to the stage of painting it!).

I'm getting ahead of things here. I've not tried to assemble the brake gear with these longer hangers yet - but based on what happened last time, it SHOULD work.
 

P A D

Western Thunderer
Hi Ian,
This is incredibly stuff. I don't know why you didn't just build the model from scratch and dump all those crappy MOK parts in the bin.:)):)):)):)):))

Fabulous!

Cheers,
Peter
 

Ian_C

Western Thunderer
Hi Ian,
This is incredibly stuff. I don't know why you didn't just build the model from scratch and dump all those crappy MOK parts in the bin.:)):)):)):)):))

Fabulous!

Cheers,
Peter
You're right. There's some truth in humour. Having found a way through it all (see post below for the outcome) I'd not do it the same way again. I did originally think about designing the tender chassis from scratch, but this wasn't ever meant to be a scratch build, and I'm not a scratch builder (well, maybe I'm becoming one by degrees). It's one of the situations where I just elected to pile in and fight my way through. I'd go for CSB suspension and work out how to build it in modules that are easy to assemble. Next time...
 
All together now...

Ian_C

Western Thunderer
Eventually it all goes together. The process of putting it together, finding why it wouldn't assemble, taking it apart, making small modifications, changing the assembly sequence and so on, was very patience sapping yesterday. It's as close as I've come to dumping it all back in the box and finding another project to do. Slept on it. Clear head this morning, and it's all sorted.


Here are the sub-assemblies at the start of the epic. There were some mods before I'd finished.
tender parts for assy 1.jpg

The eventual sequence was -
1 - Compensation beams and front axle carrier fitted to inner chassis.
2 - Wheels & axles fitted.
3 - Inner chassis fitted to outer chassis. Easier to insert inner chassis from above.
4 - Water scoop assembly inserted, but not secured.
5 - Rear cross member wriggled into position around the mounting brackets and through the scoop assembly.
6 - Scoop and cross member shuffled into final positions and screwed in place (harder than it sounds!)
7 - Front crossmember positioned and secured.
8 - Scoop linkage persuaded to clip over the pins on the front cross member.
9 - Brake hangers and linkage inserted from below, and with tweezers the tops of the hangers are sprung into place over the ends of the pivot wires. There's just enough space between inner and outer chassis to do this with the slim Mr Hobby tweezers.

Here's how it ends up.
tender chassis assy 1.jpg
tender chassis assy 2.jpg
tender chassis assy 3.jpg tender chassis assy 4.jpg

It all goes together and I have full compensation movement, and the wheel treads don't foul anything. I chose to kick the question of electrical pick ups down the road for a long time, deciding to fit them to the tender before I properly understood the implications. So fitting some pick ups is the next job.

This has been the most challenging part of the project so far. Who'd have though the tender running gear would be that difficult? Hoping the tender body is relatively straightforward.
 
Tender pickups, DCC decoder and bodywork

Ian_C

Western Thunderer
Having thought about how to fit wiper pickups, the next obvious consideration was where the wires would need to end up. The DCC decoder of course, that I'd confidently said would fit in the tender after I discovered that it wasn't going to fit in the locomotive! Now I have the tender chassis together I can see that it's not going to be so easy. The 'hump' in the compensation beams mean the decoder cannot be mounted at tender floor level. If I was to make a bracket to raise it above the compensation beams it'll come very close the the rear tender deck and the sloping coal space. The only way to assess that properly is to build the tender body up to a point where I can try and fit it all together. So...on with the tender body.

First challenge on the body is to make the bend at the top of the sides. That's not easy, it's quite a tight bend (scales out to about 5.5mm radius) and the top most section of the body is flat above the curve. Also the curve has to be accurately positioned to match the profile of the front and rear bulkheads. The NS etching is relatively thick and, I guess, is in a half hard state. Given the unpredictable amount of spring back I decided not to bother trying to bend it around a rod close to the curve radius. From photographs it appears that the prototype curve (on some tenders at least, and probably all) was made by multiple small bends in a press brake. I did it a similar way, by scribing the bend start and finish lines on the inside surface, along with some equally spaced parallel lines between them. The body was clamped in the big vice between two old steel parallels and gradually formed with a series of small bends. The force required make the bends at the edge of the parallels was considerable. Lots of bending. comparing with bulkhead profile, tweaking. Of course the material work hardens as you bend it so it doesn't get any easier! Eventually it came good. Some half etch lines on the outside would probably have helped. There's going to be an overlay on top of it, so they wouldn't show.
tender body curves 1.jpg

The front edge of the tender body is also curved in. This small curve goes right to the edge and has to match a half etched guide in the tender floor. After the battle with the tender top I could see the same approach wasn't going to be work well here. I chose to anneal the ends and form them round a radius edge former. Annealing the first 10mm or so with the small torch makes the sheet very pliable, and it can be formed very closely round a tool with little spring back. That way you can get the curve right to the edge of the material. In passing - to anneal NS, heat to just dull red and let it air cool. A former was made simply by filing a 2.5mm radius on the edge of a piece of scrap steel plate.
front curve tool.jpg

Same approach again. Clamp the side between the former and a steel parallel, and then it's very easy to just push the annealed edge round the former with a piece wood (and a much smaller hammer). In retrospect I'd probably have done better to anneal the top curves too.

Once out of that turbulence we're into clear air, and the making up of the front bulkhead sub assembly was straightforward. It al goes together with uncanny accuracy using the MOK tab & slot approach. There's some very clever fine detail on the coal space doors. There's more detail to add, but some photos to show progress...
tender body 1.jpg
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More or less a full day's uninterrupted modelling, apart from entertaining Titus the dog. Furlough dividend!
 
Tender compensation beams again!

Ian_C

Western Thunderer
I might just get away with fitting the decoder above the compensating beams...or I might not. Need to find a way to reduce the comp beam height without reducing the stiffness too much. Finally there's use for a chunk of 3mm NS plate I acquired yonks ago.

A strip 4mm wide was sawn off the plate and blacksmithed to about the right shape. Big vice and hammer stuff, no finesse here! A lot of filing follows, to make it less offensive - there's a lot of NS dust on the floor now.
beam stiffener 1.jpg

Soldered onto the comp beams with the 100W iron...
beam stiffener 2.jpg

The beam above the stiffener is removed, and the thing cleaned up...
beam stiffener 3.jpg

That's saved about 4mm in height. I'm pretty sure I can make it all fit in now. Famous last words?
beam stiffener result.jpg
 

richard carr

Western Thunderer
Mine will be from MOK kits, I built a DJH one about 15 years ago and although it looks good the detail of the MOK kit isn't there.

Richard
 

Ian_C

Western Thunderer
Mine will be from MOK kits, I built a DJH one about 15 years ago and although it looks good the detail of the MOK kit isn't there.

Richard
I'm seriously thinking about a 9F, and the MOK kit looks good fr0m the photos I've seen. Some uncharacteristic discipline though... I have to finish this build first. In passing, we've been furloughed now to the end of May, so it might happen!
 
Into a corner, and back out again...

Ian_C

Western Thunderer
With a bit more room over the compensating beams it started to look promising. Oh, yes, there's the stay alive capacitor to fit in there as well. Not much room to manoeuvre though, so the problem was schemed on CAD...
CAD decoder scheme .jpg
The blue translucent sheets represent the significant constraints of the tender body: rear body, rear deck (where the water filler sits), and the slope of the coal space floor. It was quickly apparent that the capacitor wouldn't fit alongside the decoder and fit through the aperture in the tender body floor. It was moved in front and dropped down to clear the coal space. There are few places where a fastener can be placed to fix the decoder mount to the running chassis. There's one right at the back near the body fixing screw, and the only other place clear of clutter where you can get access from below is well forward. There needs to be enough space in front and behind the decoder to get the wires out, so it can't be pushed up to the the rear of the body. The thickness of the mount has to clear the compensating beams below, and the combined height of decoder and mount must sit below the coal space slope. Given those constraints, it pretty much locates itself. Since the decoder mount was turning into quite a thing, I thought I may as well incorporate the pick up mountings as well, they're the little yellow cubes hanging off the sides. Making it out of non-conducting material allows the pickup assembly to be fixed directly to it without faffing with insulating bits & bobs. There's a big sheet/plate of 1/2" thick Tufnol in the workshop that was looted from a skip years ago - ideal! Fairly straightforward milling machine job, apart from the seat for the capacitor, which was scooped out with a boring head and the mounting block held edgeways up. In passing, where the Tufnol thickness was reduced to 2.5mm there was a little bit of curl. Nothing tragic though. Clearly ancient Tufnol still has some residual stress left from manufacturing.

I needed to remove the cross piece in the floor to make this arrangement work. It doesn't do anything, so no great sacrifice.
tender floor.jpg

Had a couple of goes at the pickups - in a hurry to make progress, and not thinking everything through! The first attempt was with phosphor bronze strips bearing on the top of the wheel flanges. I reasoned that the strip, being vertically flexible and laterally stiff, would stay where it was wanted. Sure it does, but the unanticipated side effect was that the strips acted as little speaker diaphragms radiating all the mechanical contact noise as the tender rolled. Kind of sounded like leaking steam, but I've spent money on DCC sound, so didn't fancy drowning it all out with a hissing tender. After experimenting with different thicknesses of PB wire, I ended up at 0.5mm. Sufficiently robust to survive handling and assembly, and easy to set a balance between contact pressure and drag on the wheel.

Here are the PB strip pickups on their mounting blocks before being unsoldered and sent to the odd ends box...
strip pickups.jpg

The naming of parts...
pickup and mount parts 1.jpg
The big brown thing is the decoder and pickup mounting block, machined from Tufnol. There are two holes along the centreline tapped M2 x 0.4 for the fixing screws to the chassis. An M2 thread tapped directly into Tufnol works OK, but its about as small as I'd go. With anything smaller the thread gets a bit 'statistical' in this composite material. Four through holes in a rectangular pattern for the decoder mounting, matching the holes in the decoder PCB. Four holes drilled through and counterbored for 12BA brass threaded inserts for the pickup mountings. Four M2 socket head screws (because that's what's to hand) with the heads reduced in height to fit into the decoder. The white doodads are spacers for decoder mounting. They're made from an offcut of Acetal rod, which is lovely stuff to machine with a dead sharp tool. Bottom left are the pickup mounting blocks machined from brass. The small lip on one edge orients the pickups against the edge of the mounting block. Once adjusted, the pickups always go back in the same position, no constant re-tweaking of pickup wires. One block already has a length of 0.5mm PB wire soldered to it. Incidentally, my PB wire has always been supplied as a coil, trying to straighten the stuff is a nightmare. The natural curve on the 0.5mm wire seemed about right, so that's another reason for using it! The little tag things centre bottom are the threaded inserts for the pickup mounts. Seen here, they have some wire solder tags silver soldered to them, which only turned out to be a half good idea.

Here's how the wire pickups work out...
wire pickips top.jpg
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You'll notice that I changed the arrangement of wire tags for the rear pickup mount. I'd forgotten that there was no space beneath the decoder for a top mounted wire tag.

Another 'by the way'. I find tapping small threads in small parts in the lathe to be more trouble than it's worth. But once you've parted them off it's not easy to hold them properly to tap them...unless you remove the collet holder from the lathe and put it in a vice. Tap 12BA through, holding the tap in a pin vice. Easy...
small tapping.jpg

All put together, and hallelujah the Zimo Godzilla decoder fits in! The capacitor will be secured with a tiny blob of contact adhesive when the time comes for final assembly.
decoder installed 1.jpg
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So that's how to get yourself backed into an expensive corner, and design your way back out of it. Just like being at work! With that sorted, I can get on with the rest of the body. DCC newbie and all, so still wiring and other adventures to come. All newfangled to us here...
decoder comic 1.jpg
 

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Tender water filler and lid - just for fun!

Ian_C

Western Thunderer
This morning's work, the water filler and lid for the tender. There's a brass casting for this in the kit, it's not bad but it lacks a bit of crispness, and the tender top is very much on show. As usual, scaled from one of the tender GA drawings in Wild Swan, and broken down into makeable parts.

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I'd thought about making the filler with the lid left open, not unusual in BR days it seems. Couldn't figure out how to make a lid with fine enough edges, so stepped back from that challenge and turned the neck and lid as one piece, being careful to leave a tiny lip at the edge of the lid, per prototype. The hinge and handle parts are all teeny weeny hand work. The main hinge part was silver soldered to the neck first. The rest was positioned with solder paint and the big iron was left in contact with the body until they just sweated in place. The handle is 0.4mm brass wire and the nuts are tiny slivers of microbore brass tube. The way to cut off tiny sections of tube like this is to open out the tube bore until the wire just fits in, then thread a short piece of tube over a short length of wire. The tube is then rolled back and forth on a cutting mat under the edge of a scalpel blade until it cuts through to the wire. Similar in principle to a plumbing pipe cutter. The little slivers of pipe don't ping all over , and since they were cut on the wire they don't close up and can easily be slid off. Getting the length right is a bit statistical, so you have to make a few and choose the ones you like best.
 
Progress on the tender body

Ian_C

Western Thunderer
Here's where I've got to. Something emerging from the chaos on the workbench. Looking a bit Barry scrap line in this state.
progress May 2020.jpg

The tender body presented a few challenges. For the most part the sheet metal goes together with commendable accuracy. The front section of the fire iron tunnel is a bit of a curse, having to bend on two lines to match the tunnel profile and the front bulkhead. Putting the main assembly of end & sides, front & rear bulkheads, rear deck and the main coal space profiles took some doing, not because they don't fit nicely together, but this is one instance where all the slots and tabs fight each other, some being at mutually antagonistic angles! Eventually the last tab is manipulated into its slot with a click and the whole structure relaxes into position. Soldering up was all done from the inside and reasonably straightforward. I didn't bother soldering all the seams because the fit is good, and most of it will be hidden under a few scale tons of late sixties slack.

The tender overlays were next - and a whole load of trouble. I've never got on well with overlays, and these ones scared me! The kit, rather generously, provides side and rear overlays for both the riveted and the welded 4,000 gallon tender. The riveted overlays look rather splendid, but 48142 had a welded tender, fortunately as it turned out. I found forming the overlays to match the curves previously made on the tender body to be really difficult. I figured it would be easier if the overlays were annealed, so I experimented on a riveted side overlay first. I'd wondered if heating the overlay to anneal it would cause it to pringle up, but mercifully it stayed flat. I formed the curves using the same approach as described for the body, but as the overlay bends more easily you have to take it carefully to avoid kinks. That's the downside of annealing. I got reasonably close to the right shape, but accepted that I'd have to use clips to hold the edges down when I soldered them in place. I started by fitting the rear overlay because that's easy to do, and it dictates the longitudinal position of the side overlays.

You'll have noticed in previous photos that the main body etches have a load of small rectangular holes in them for soldering on the overlay from the inside. With the main body assembled the holes higher up the tender sides, just below the curve, are virtually inaccessible by soldering iron, or RSU probe for that matter. My first attempt was to mark the positions of the holes on the overlay and pre-tin round them on the tender body. I used 145 degree solder for this to reduce the heat input, not that it made much difference in the end!
tender overlay 1.jpg
The overlay was clipped in position, adjusted to match the rear overlay, tack soldered at the rear, and then the 40W iron was applied to the outside of the overlay at the marked positions. In most positions the overlay expanded up where it was heated and needed some pressure with a lollipop stick to keep it in contact with the body. The result wasn't great...
tender overlay bumps.jpg
You can see there are dimples all over in this cruel photo, where the marker pen's not rubbed off. Some prototype welded tenders do show ripples in the side plating, either from welding distortion during manufacture, or from use & abuse over the years. Some welded tenders however appear to have very flat sides. The ripples show up more on a clean, shiny tender than they do under a coat of matt BR grey. This 8F will be appropriately filthy, even so, there will need to be some filling & sanding on this side before painting. Think how much of a pain that would have been with a riveted overlay!

I had a rethink, and tackled the other side differently. The overlay was positioned and tacked at the rear, as before. The overlay was soldered from the outside in the uppermost hole positions below the curve, simply because there's no access from the inside. This time I chose to use the RSU instead of the iron. Seemed to get on better, but there are still small dimples discernible but they'll disappear under a rear of filler and some primer. This time most of the soldering was done from the inside. A blob of flux and a small chip of 145 solder was put into each hole. The RSU probe was applied to the main body etch alongside the hole until the solder melted and flashed into the joint. The advantage is that the overlay is held against the flat underlying surface by the RSU probe and body etch, and the probe can be held there until the solder's frozen. That worked out much better, very little distortion, and was probably closer to how Mr MOK had intended it to be done.
inside overlay.jpg

All around the edges of the body, where the overlay edges sit over the main body edges, I built up a decent bead of solder and then filed it back to produce a clean edge, free from cusp marks or divots. Time consuming, messy and it clogs up your files, but makes for a tidy job. The edge is slightly thicker than prototype, and the edge beading etched on the overlay isn't half round, but it's not practical to do it any other way with the kit. I've convinced myself that it'll be OK.

There are some things to note about building the welded tender from the MOK kit. There are some etched rivets that should be removed, and some riveted detail that doesn't need to be added. Considering how many welded tenders the were, it's been hard to find good detail photos of some areas to establish where they did and didn't have rivets. The GA drawing for the welded body suggests that everything was welded, although the drawing doesn't use any clear convention for showing weld detail, so it's a bit fuzzy. Photos suggest that welded tenders did still have some rivets. Some details, starting at the front...
tender front.jpg
There are rivet overlay strips provided to go around the coal space door and the locker. You don't need these on a welded tender. The lifting point doubler plates in the front bulkhead have etched dimples, but really need to be drilled through and have 0.6mm wire soldered in to represent rivets. The Front and rear bulkheads were topped off with a substantial half elliptical beading section, and photos show that was riveted, even on welded tenders. Possibly the riveter's union was pushing back against the rising tide of welding, who knows? So don't remove the rivets around the top curve of the F & R bulkheads. There are some etched parts (part 138) in the kit that I think are meant to be the bulkhead beading, but they're too wide and too thin. I cut some strips 1.4mm wide from some 0.6mm NS scrap, soldered then in position, and rounded them off to a vaguely elliptical profile with a file and wet & dry. They look the part. Also worth mentioning that the lamp guard is referred to as a step in the (David Coulshed) instructions, but it's actually a guard to stop lumps of coal falling onto a lamp stowed on the bracket below. If you thought it was a step you'd probably fit it the wrong way up!|

tender inside front.jpg
On the coal space side of the front bulkhead remove all of the etched rivets, but do apply the curved rivet strip to the top of the bulkhead.

tender rear 1.jpg
The rear bulkhead keeps it's rivets and has a bead profile added, as per front bulkhead. There's an additional thin plate on the rear of the bulkhead shown on the GA drawing, and visible in photos. It's not very thick on the prototype, so I made a plate from some brass shim. Interestingly the GA drawing shows some stiffening angle sections between the tender side and the rear bulkhead, but they're not visible on any photos that I can find, and that'a good enough excuse to leave them off! On welded tenders the water scoop dome and the filler neck were simply welded to the rear deck plate, so there's no need to use the etched riveted flanges provided in the kit. The vents were still bolted to the deck, so don't go filing off the bolt heads! Where angle brackets were provided to fix the tender tank to the chassis, they were welded to the tank, so there's no need to add the etched rivet overlay parts here. In the photo it looks like I've added them, but that's just the reflection of the rivets on the tender floor!

Here's the best photo I could find of the rear deck of the 4,000 gallon welded tender on sister engine 48141 (from 'The Book of the Stanier 8Fs - Part 2 Wartime Engines 48126-48297', Irwell Press, and the photo's credited to Rail Online, so probably a Jim Carter snap). Another tiny detail - the the lifting lugs are squared off on this tender, but rounded on others. The GA drawings show rounded lugs, and the kit provides rounded lugs, so that's what 48142 has got! Oh yes, I've just realised that the tiny lug for the filler lid chain is missing from my dome, always another thing to do...
4000 gal welded tender rear top small.jpg

Next job is fitting the body to the floor, and a sprint to the finish on the remaining tender detail. I can see light at the end of the tunnel.
 
Did I say 'end of the tunnel'?

Ian_C

Western Thunderer
Had a phone call this morning calling me back to work from furlough tomorrow. So it'll be back to the usual geological timescales for progress I'm afraid. The end of the tunnel is further away than I'd thought. Made the best of it while it lasted, but you can't hold your breath forever.

Almost as postscript to the previous posts on the tender, I've just realised that there's a lot of useful information on these tenders in LMS Review No2 (Wild Swan, 2014, ISBN 978 1 908763 12 9 - LMS Tenders Part 2 - Stanier Standard Tenders - John Jennison). Worth looking at that series of articles if you have an LMS tender to build and, you're after the details.

So, before I try to find all my work stuff and remember how to iron a shirt, here's where I've got to.

The tender detail is nearly complete, but the finishing off list never seems to get much shorter. The tender front is complete apart from a peg in the fire iron tunnel entrance to stop the fire irons sliding forward. The small, semi-circular covers over the water valve linkages were not included in the kit, so were made from scratch. The handrail knobs look a bit lumpy in this photo, I'll replace them if I can find something better. Also worth noting that the hand rails on the rear of the body sides are a smaller diameter than the 'commode' handrails at the front (0.6mm diameter and 0.9mm diameter respectively.
tender front 2.jpg

Fitting the axle box castings is on the list, but I thought it worth making one improvement. I'd also thought about replacing the hanger rods with 0.9mm wire, but that's difficult to do without remaking the hanger brackets, and I can't see a way of doing that at the moment.
tender axlebox mod 1.jpg
 

Phil O

Western Thunderer
You should see the tons of filler applied to the Brittania during the painting process, to get her hull smooth for the almost mirror like finish.
 
3D printing excursion

Ian_C

Western Thunderer
Springs and axleboxes. Quite a distinctive thing on the tender. The more I look at photos and drawings, the more I'm not in love with the whitemetal castings. They're not bad really, and from normal viewing distances they look OK. There's quite a lot to these items, and it must be near impossible to replicate them at this scale by traditional methods. There are a lot of features of the prototype spring and axle box assembly that don't show in the castings. I thought I'd see what 3D printing could make of it.

Took me 2 days to reconstruct them in CAD from drawings and photos, and I learned a huge amount about Stanier tenders in the process! Some simplification was made on detail that you're really not going to see at 7mm scale, but the resulting model looks the part I think. I chose to model the axle box and the spring and hanger assemblies as separate parts. Just in case one day I want to model the variations such as plain axlebox covers on early contractor built class 5 tenders, roller bearing boxes, or late type 'knock back' spring hangers.

CAD 1.JPG CAD 2.JPG CAD 3.JPG

I've remortgaged the house to get a set printed by Shapeways. Fine Detail Plastic 3D Printing Material Information - Shapeways

It costs way more than makes any sense, but I'm just curious to see what standard can be achieved. It takes a while, and I'll get them in June. Plenty left to do meantime.
 
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