7mm On Heather's Workbench - a rebuilt Scot

[Heather Kay]

Coming later this year, I shall embark on a build of a JLTRT rebuilt Royal Scot 4-6-0. Although I'm not ready to begin the build, I'm getting things lined up so almost everything I need is in the box when I pick it up.

Today, it's the plates. Severn Mill nameplates, smokebox number and shed plates. The loco will be 46134 "The Cheshire Regiment", in its final guise of BR lined green with the smoke deflector plates and a 4000 gallon Stanier tender.

And here is where I stumble. How do I find out which tender was attached to 46134 in the mid- to late-1950s?

While I consider buying suitable books from the Irwell Press catalogue, perhaps one of my fellow forumites might be able to assist in this matter so I can get the order off to Chris. Thanks!

 

[OzzyO]

Try this for size Heather.


The above is copyright to Irwell Press and only used for information.

OzzyO.

 

[Heather Kay]

Cool! Thanks, Paul!

I was about to buy a copy from The Titfield Thunderbolt, but PayPal are playing at signing people up whether you want a PayPal account or not. I dropped out of the transaction because I refuse to be strong armed into signing up for an account I don't want, and emailed Simon directly as he needs to know about their games. He might lose online business because of it.

I will still buy a copy from Simon, but it might take longer by snail mail than online. You can never have enough good reference books, in my opinion.

 

[Len Cattley]

Hi Heather, I also have the book called LMS/BR Class 7 4-6-0 Rebuilds by David Clarke on The Crowood Press label. ISBN 978 1 84797 651 2

It is a very good book with lots of photo's and text.

Len

 

[Heather Kay]

 

[warren haywood]

I've got Irwell press Scott's if u want to borrow it

 

[Heather Kay]

Thanks Warren. I will buy a copy. Considering this household's interest in LNWR/LMS, it's an odd omission from our library.

 

[oldravendale]

Looking forward to this, Heather. I have one to build (one day!) with the detailing kit and a set of AH wheels.

Brian

 

[OzzyO]

The power of the Scott's is also a good book to have in stock.

OzzyO.

 

[Ian@StEnochs]

Hi Heather.

I have one of these on the shelf just now. It is a bit of a cinderella as I have neglected it in favour of some scratchbuilds. However so far I have the frames footplate and cab finished and most of the motion. I am using Slaters wheels reprofiled and everything is S7 with much reworking of the castings to suit the correct width frames. What has slowed me is the brake hangers which are very nice castings but with the correct frames foul the coupling rods. I need to make new ones but 6! They are giving me the vapours which is why the build has stalled. Once I decide to just do it then I'm sure the rest will fall into place.

The resin boiler is good and certainly a lot quicker/easier than rolling up from etch. The weight is impressive too. I have a canon/chaplin motor/gearbox fitted which fits nicely in the firebox and is invisible from normal viewing position. If you have any queries that I can help with please just ask.

Ian

 

[Heather Kay]

Thanks Ian!

I ought to say this is another pretty much straight out of the box build for JLTRT. 46134 is the company mascot model, and I think this build is a replacement for a previous model.

I can vouch for the weight! Every time I need to shift the box!

 

[Len Cattley]

I don't know if your interested Heather I got @SimonT to make me the brake hangers and shoes for the engine and tender out of 3D printed the brake shoes are separate from the hangers. One thing I did notice with the valve gear was that the union link was to long (I measured it with the drawing).

Len

 

[Heather Kay]

I will need to pin down the expected specs from Laurie. I don't think we'll be budgeting for much "after market" stuff, if I'm honest.

Good spot about the union link. I shall bear that in mind when I come to it.

Meanwhile, book ordered from The Titfield Thunderbolt without any help or hindrance from PayPal.

 

[Simon]

Going back a bit, thank you very much for your order Heather, you were served by the estimable George Mumford. Regarding the Paypal account nonsense, George has been burrowing into the account and has managed to make the Paypal account optional again, we neither of us know why it changed, but change it did.

So you should be able to use cards again without having a Paypal account.

George is another one of my clever friends, where would we be without them?

As an aside, if you look on the shop Facebook page there is a snap of George and I taken by a Canadian visitor, we were in the middle of packing our biggest ever (to date) Wild Swan trade order

Simon

 

[Heather Kay]

Nearly a year on, and I'm beginning to think about starting something! Before anyone says anything, this three cylinder loco will be a two cylinder build, and the driving wheels will be at 90° offsets!

Right, traditionally, let's start with what is in the box.



Slater's wheels, Fowler drivers, Stanier bogie and LMS standard tender. Plunger pickups, and the various plates from Severn Mill.



Nickel silver etches for the loco frames. A nice touch is alternative driver balance weights. The super detail kit includes some cast parts for the Walschaerts gear, but some of it appears to be cast in brass rather than nickel silver. Making up a combination of etched and cast parts doesn't appeal, but I'll cross that bridge when I get to it.



Unusually, in my experience of this manufacturer, the frame overlays are brass. The running plate builds up with a jig, and all the other major plate work is here. Again, with the SDK, some etched parts will have cast alternatives. The etched cab roof will not be required, as you will see in a moment.



The boiler and firebox is a resin block with a nice heavy weight in it. The main boiler fittings are white metal castings, with alternative top feeds. The brass bits here are the SDK parts. A nice inclusion is the AWS coupling protection plate, air reservoir and battery box. A set of crankpin nuts is also included. A resin cast one piece cab roof appears to be the new JLTRT standard for steam outline kits. It's one less faff for inexperienced builders - though in this case the tender sides need to be curved so it's not all plain sailing.



This is the other bag of castings, with motion parts, axleboxes, cab details, bogie sideframes and alternative buffer housings.



The Stanier 4000 gallon tender body etch.



Tender detail and interior parts, plus the tender frames. I seem to have a duplicate set of tender top and buffer plank etches.



Finally, the tender castings. Note again extra buffer housings. I'll need to study photos to see if I can spot the difference. It is tempting to use the MOK self-contained LMS buffers. I note nothing to allow the tender to be sprung, or anything resembling compensation, so that needs looking into. Generally speaking, this is intended to be a mostly out of the box build, with limited scope for those extra touches.

I still need to acquire a suitable motor and gearbox. I must remind the client he needs to source one. The first stage, I hope, will be to get the loco frames erected and rolling to at least make some kind of start on this build.

 

[Dikitriki]

Looks a very nice kit, though I note you need a superdetailed scoop operating crank.

 

[Steph Dale]

Looks a very nice kit, though I note you need a superdetailed scoop operating crank.

Nooo, I think it's in there...

There's a lot to like in the JLTRT Scot kit, but I really don't get the cast boiler as you end up with the weight in the wrong place and not enough space for things like motor, decoder or sound. And are the hornguide patches really on the outside of the frames? Most railways would put them on the inside, but I'm not familiar enough with this prototype.

I'd like a Rebuilt Scot, but I'm still not sure which one I'd like to build!

Steph

 

[Genghis]

I'd like a Rebuilt Scot, but I'm still not sure which one I'd like to build!

Steph

Well I am just preparing some for release next month.........

 

[mickoo]

..... are the hornguide patches really on the outside of the frames?

I'd like a Rebuilt Scot, but I'm still not sure which one I'd like to build!

Steph

Noticed that too, also noticed that you cannot make it up as a rigid chassis, it's sprung or compensated options only, not an issue of course, just different from everyone else who offer rigid and you cut away for sprung/compensated.

134 would be my choice too, made a 1:1 nameplate for my dad years (23) ago, it's still on his study wall, must remember to photograph it one day. It has a few errors, but way back then there was no internet as such to get information from, nor NRM archives for drawings, we've never had it so good for reference material these days

Mick D

 

[Steph Dale]

Hornguide patches are on the outside of the frames of Scots Guardsman, so the frames of this kit are actually very nicely detailed.

So, a tricky choice; Gladiator/Andrews with the useful brass smokebox, boiler and firebox or the JLTRT (née Chowbent) for the nicely detailed chassis.

Perhaps I could cut the boiler section out of the JLTRT moulding..!

Steph