7mm US model dabblings

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Well it arrived today.....little it isn't.

I've liked them before and I have other 'more' favourite engines....or so I thought until I pulled it out of the box. It's not lacking presence that's for sure.

Granted it's a RTR box opening, but it makes me feel like I'm seven again :p.

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It's not perfect, maybe that's why it has so much appeal, not so pristine it'll pang my guilt if I upgrade it a bit, not so poor that the overall high price tag bites your conscience.

The blemish on one side is in the lacquer so will go once stripped and cleaned up, both small central grills have a ding in the plate work on their lower edge above the main grills, the main grills are stainless etched and the sand box covers are pressed out so slightly distorted and on one side they have started to come away (attempted to be fixed by owners previous).

One of the panto support beams has come free from dry solder joints and there's the odd bit here and there to straighten, they're currently only rested on the supports for the photos.

There's a couple of other little niggles from the factory but as far as Overland models go, it's in the top percentile of their catalogue, probably as it has no stamped doors and latch handles like their diesels.

There is only one real compromise for the model, the bogie side frames, the drop down belly affair below the secondary spring shouldn't be there, it should be inboard of the wheels as it forms part of the central bolster. Which opens the question aired before, keep as factory or pimp out.

I'm heading toward doing my own 3D side frames and getting them lost wax cast in brass to replace the factory ones; put the factory ones in the box safe and fit the new correctly profiled ones. I'll more as likely add some under body clutter and light blockers, maybe drop it a few mm as I think it's a bit high at the moment, another RTR compromise; then I'll think about the roof additions, but may just leave it at that.

Anyway, enough waxing lyrically, more than happy to have it in my collection.

I found a utube of a little Joe hooter restoration, the narrator is a little nerdy and mounting it on your roof for drive by's is an anorak I don't have in the closet, but for all that, it's a hell of a sound, ranking close to a 567 or Dash 9 but not quite surpassing.

This is another of his,


Cut to 4.30 or so, driving through one of the original MILW Bitteroot tunnels is inspiring, completely bonkers bark at the moon and I get it, I bet he feels like seven again :thumbs:
 
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cmax

Western Thunderer
Hi Mick,

Well that is impressive! I can well imagine you are happy to own such a beast, Excellent photography as usual.

Interesting thoughts regarding the bogie side frames, I suppose it depends if you can live with the compromise, (do you intend to use it or just look at it?) if I was to answer my own question, me-thinks that's a no.

Love the video, you could have some fun with that!!

Cheers,

Gary
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Gary, looking or using is the same for me. It looks wrong in the display case as much as in motion.

A new set of frames solves both I think and it should be possible to add the centre bolster to solve aesthetics and maintain work ability.

I could of course hack the model ones but then that destroys its authenticity value in the future.

For those unaware the side frames simply screw into the bolster. That makes it easy to fabricate new ones using the main fixings and simply swap out.

I've no idea of the actual shape of the real bolster is, so it would be a facsimile of the bit cut off and simply placed in board. There are other inaccuracies on the main bogie casting that the small sleigh of hand on the bogie bolster will not be overly disconcerting.
 

Richard Spoors

Western Thunderer
Gary, looking or using is the same for me. It looks wrong in the display case as much as in motion.

A new set of frames solves both I think and it should be possible to add the centre bolster to solve aesthetics and maintain work ability.

I could of course hack the model ones but then that destroys its authenticity value in the future.

For those unaware the side frames simply screw into the bolster. That makes it easy to fabricate new ones using the main fixings and simply swap out.

I've no idea of the actual shape of the real bolster is, so it would be a facsimile of the bit cut off and simply placed in board. There are other inaccuracies on the main bogie casting that the small sleigh of hand on the bogie bolster will not be overly disconcerting.

Hi Mick, there's nothing else for it, you'll have to go to Illinois Railway Museum in Union, Illinois - A Museum in Motion tape measure and camera to hand!

The history is fascinating!

Cheers

Richard
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Cheers chaps, despite it's popularity there's very little in the way of detailed photos on the web, usually someone, somewhere has a little photo tour tucked away but I've not found it yet ;)

Can you get to Illinois from Cajon in one day, shucks no, looks like two trips then :p
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Moving to the other end of the pool, the shallower end, these pitched up today.

A Lionel SD4oT-2 shell, it's rather nice actually, the paint nice and crisp and even, the cab suffers the usual thick walls and window frames but isn't overly offensive and might work better with thinner flush glazing. The only downside are the moulded grab rails, cutting them off will mar the paint and require a lot of work to blend in of totally redo the whole shell.

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There is of course no chassis or pilots so they'd all need scratch building, all in all might not be a bad little project.

The second item was a bonus, the original owner said it was a 'bit big', he wasn't wrong.

Again a RTR version and 3 rail, bar the tank about everything below the footplate is junk, luckily PSC do very nice cast brass PA/PB trucks and a new fixed pilot is in order.

The cab screen area is very carpet RTR but being totally flat can easily take a thin overlay to allow thinner more flush glazing, the plastic would need opening out to provide the inner edge/ledge for the glazing. A new etched fan grill and some car body end detail would help.

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Not really a big D&H fan but I will concede the paint job is rather dashing and probably the most attractive of the Eastern zone Railroads.

I need to check details but possible candidates for large number boards and twin headlights are SP bloody nose or UP out west, East then PRR Tuscan 5 stripe is appealing but the door light needs to go and perhaps the number boards revising to a smaller standard.

All in all a low level blank canvas to play around with.
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
That and 'goodness me, that's a large loco'* was my perception of them. I'm glad they arrived safely :)

Steph

*I'm paraphrasing!
Yup, Mr Pat and his black and white cat didn't manage to break them, though given the packaging it would of been some effort to do so :p

My bench....usable area....wasn't long enough to get the full set in one shot, if you had a shunting plank there'd be sod all room at either end.

I think the full A-B-A is longer than the three unit GTEL I have.

Facebook has a nice page on #59's restoration.

Restoration of the Santa Fe Chief - Alco PA #59
 
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mickoo

Western Thunderer
Sorry mate - SP PA/PBs have to be in Daylight livery and the SD40T-2 has to look like this SSW version.

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I'll roll with the SSW tunnel motor but hack to SP, but Daylight.....really :p

I do want at least one Kodachrome, maybe one of the RC GP'9s I have stashed away.

Not a big fan of the Daylight livery, maybe it's the colour combo, it looks better on the GS4 but I still prefer black with silver smokeboxes.

I wasn't aware SP PA's were plough fitted, new to me, obvious in some respects but not seen any evidence before.
 

Steph Dale

Western Thunderer
I thought all the SP PAs had ploughs, either from factory or retro-fitted by SP. The SSW and TNO ones didn't though...:confused:

Steph
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Well there's a thing, I'd of sworn I'd not seen plough fitted PA's in my collection, yet the ratio is 60/40 in favour, just never stood out like in Daves link or my memory is worse than I thought........
 

Steph Dale

Western Thunderer
Mick,

Doesn't surprise me:
SP 6005-6045 (all of which seem to have ploughs eventually)
TNO 6055-6066
SSW 6067 6068

SP PBs 5910-5915, 5918-5924

Watch the dynamic brakes and side grille patterns too! They're one of the more 'diverse' SP diesel loco types.

Steph
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Funnily enough it's the TNO ones I'd collected of the web recently hence the lack of plough.

It does all need a bundle of research though, as you say, SP was if anything else diverse.
 

JasonD

Western Thunderer
Before you stop reading:
NYSW 3016

Aaaaah ... eastern roads. D&H had no PBs and the PAs (ex-ATSF) didn't have the big nose boards so butchery no problems for me there!

In Doctor Who's biscuit tin I have some Weaver 3-rail gearboxes and just in, s/h NWSL(?) P48 frt car wheelsets. Hmmm ... 33 or 36 ... better open the box and look more closely at them. Lots of post-housemove unpacking/downsizing/projects or reality checks(?)/layout building to do.
Jason
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
All things considered it should really be......

UP8617 SD40T-2 by Andrew, on Flickr

Patched is acceptable......

UP 8865 Bakersfield CA May 2002 by Pete Piszczek, on Flickr

UP8726 SD40T-2 by Andrew, on Flickr

Or original......

SP8312 SD40T-2 by Andrew, on Flickr

Not a big fan of post merger D&RGW speed lettering, it worked well on the forefathers but for me didn't translate well.

D&RGW 5348 East at Mitchell, CO by John Benner, on Flickr

The tunnel motor project is a slow burning one at the moment.
 
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