7mm US model dabblings

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Lots of post-housemove unpacking/downsizing/projects or reality checks(?)/layout building to do.
Jason
I've been going through a reality check for a while now, I'm going to start having a wade through whats under the bench and clear some of it out.

I find I'm hanging on to stuff and keeping hold of interest bubbles that deep down I know I should set free.
 

Scale7JB

Western Thunderer
Hi chaps. Only a quick hijack. I've popped some US railway books in the small ad section if interested.

Hijack over. Thanks.

JB.
 

cmax

Western Thunderer
I've been going through a reality check for a while now, I'm going to start having a wade through whats under the bench and clear some of it out.

I find I'm hanging on to stuff and keeping hold of interest bubbles that deep down I know I should set free.

Hi Mick, know that feeling, very well, too many like's and interests, not enough life left........:'(
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
In between other bit's an pieces I've been grittily determined to scratch my US itch and progress at least something.

So back tracking to some classic era UP I've gone back to the GP9, it needs a whole new chassis at some point, nothing wrong with the plastic one except it flexes too much and requires strengthening, which I managed just fine, but, all of the original plasticard additions are now brittle so an all new brass one is on the cards in due course.

I do have another Overland OMI Ajin model winging it's way across the pond as I type, one I've coveted for as long as I ever first saw one in magazine 30+ years ago. The purchase was not as simple as it could of been, but enough for now, I'll reveal all when it gets here toward the end of the week.

Anyway, said engine and other UP engines I have or wish to have need a B unit GP9, in fact they were quite common in mixed consists, ideally I'd like an A-B-B-A set but only have three RC units here so it'll be a pair of A's and one B for the time being.

Refreshing a little from last time, there is a small batch that fit the RC shell as far as doors and vents go perfectly, sadly the roof fans are three 48" ones, not the quad 36" and one 48" that the model has. There is a batch that fits that but they require an extra set of grills....similar to those that Yorky Dave added. Not sure which route I'll go down as the two batches are several years apart, the triple 48" being after almost all of the steam had gone.

So onto the model, the B unit simply replaces the whole cab with an tin shed enclosure and porthole window. you can drive the engine from in here with whats commonly called a hostler station, a simple throttle and brake stand is all that's fitted.

I contemplated etched covers and in the end went 3D, because I can and if there's a mistake it's easy to run off another, and another.....

Eventually one of them was fit for purpose though it still has some niggles and errors., it's just plonked in place at the moment.

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Such a simple shape isn't it, how hard can/could it be. Actually very very bloody hard, minimising warpage, stretching, bowing and all other forms of shape manifestations.

It took 22 attempts in the end.

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Every single one a failure in one aspect or another, the original plan was to print two sides and a roof and bond them together, sadly printing flat often left them curled up when hardening, the flattest had to be kept on the aluminium build plate for a week, it is flat but I can't afford to have build plates sat around for days, luckily I have two but it makes a dent in production. In the end...in desperation I printed a complete set up, it had more promise but still took an age to refine.

As a reference, angled ones take between 5 and six hours per print, flat ones between one and two.

On top of that, the LCD screen started to fail which is why some of the failures have large distorted and missing sections. The up shot was a new LCD screen and FEP film, but that wasn't all. Some parts now have a very shallow wave effect running through them, I can only put that down to the excessive temperatures we've had last week, or it could be the new resin I'm using.

Anyway, I now have a fairly decent set of settings and orientation, sadly it has an effect on some surfaces, specifically the sacrificial face which is tending to warp and needs a fair bit of post processing to resolve.

A crop of the 1:1 engine, copyright Don Strack Utah Rails.

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In the third close up you can see that my doors needs raising in height, as does the bolted cover plate to the rear, I'll tend to that this evening and run one off overnight.
 

adrian

Flying Squad
Such a simple shape isn't it, how hard can/could it be. Actually very very bloody hard, minimising warpage, stretching, bowing and all other forms of shape manifestations.

It took 22 attempts in the end.
Strewth - 11 out of 10 for perseverance. Whilst I can see the beauty and superior results that 3D printing can offer sometimes I'm glad my first instinct is to bend a bit of nickel-silver and put a few rivets in it. :rolleyes:
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Strewth - 11 out of 10 for perseverance. Whilst I can see the beauty and superior results that 3D printing can offer sometimes I'm glad my first instinct is to bend a bit of nickel-silver and put a few rivets in it. :rolleyes:
Well I was beset with a few other problems, but generally speaking larger items take quite a few attempts to get right.

To make sure it sticks to the base and each layer I've ramped up the exposure time for each layer, in a nut shell it grows, in short 1.2 mm front to rear, you can reduce that by lowering the exposure time but then run the higher risk of it failing, not bad on a 60 min print, but half way through a six hour one whilst you're fast asleep isn't funny.

Two reasons I opted to not bend 'it like Beckham' from metal, the porthole rubber gasket and the knuckle duster catches, both very hard to replicate by hand or even by etch. Besides, this one piece is way below the minimum size PPD operate at.

I will be doing some metal work later, a whole new etched chassis and I need to sort something out for those early hand rail posts, hopefully one of the US suppliers will have cast ones in their range.
 
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Big Train James

Western Thunderer
Des Plaines has the gp9 cast stanchions - OSA1032 - looks like currently out of stock at Des Plaines but P&D (up the road from me, ahem) shows them in stock.

Des Plaines has a fan hatch to convert the Red Caboose gp9 to phase III, which I presume has the 48" fans - OSA805 - in stock at Des Plaines, not at P&D.

I've never had a particular reason to thorooughly check out either of the above parts, they haven't been part of any explicit modeling plans to date. P&D has a picture of the stanchions, a download and zoom might tell you if they pass muster. As usual, the Des Plaines lacks any pictures.

Don't forget to consider the Archer surface details for the louvers, if you decide not to print them yourself.
 
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Scale7JB

Western Thunderer
It may just be a trick of the light....

On the photo of the prototype, the door looks flush with the casing, and on the 3D print looks proud?

JB.
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Interesting observation, I had assumed doors were set on top of the body skin, I think that's how the RC base model is and looking at the letter B you can see a step in the letter that kind of confirms the door is proud, or not closed correctly...the lower catch is open.

However, the detail crop below (copyright Don Strack UtahRails) suggests there is a rebate for the door but that the door might also sit proud due to varying material thicknesses or just agricultural fit. Check the taller doors further back where the door appears proud at the hinge point but a recess is also present.

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Having said that, the door nearest the photographer does look flush or rebated. It also shows four small rivets on the side I need to add and that the bolted cover plate looks also to be rebated rather than proud.

If the door is flush then I don't think the printer has the definition to make a small recess all around the edge, I think the rest of the model has them slightly proud (right or wrong) so I may just mimic that (right or wrong).

There is also a thin bolted plate along the roof line both front and rear, I can probably do the rear but the front is the sacrificial edge so impossible to achieve, though I have a cunning plan to try and prevent the front edge (base edge and face on the build plate) warping that might also allow the bolted plate at the front to be replicated if I can be assured that trapped resin will flow clear and not clog it all up.
 

Big Train James

Western Thunderer
EMD 1st gen doors are different than 2nd gen doors. There's a discussion about this going on right now with regard to the release of the Scaletrains sd45 models. Let me see if I can find the thread and post a link. But I believe the upshot is that 1st gen doors like these should be essentially flush, excepting the vagaries of production fabrication combined with wear and tear.
 

Lancastrian

Western Thunderer
*SNIP*

Anyway, said engine and other UP engines I have or wish to have need a B unit GP9, in fact they were quite common in mixed consists, ideally I'd like an A-B-B-A set but only have three RC units here so it'll be a pair of A's and one B for the time being.

Will it be Benny or Bjorn ? :))

Ian
 

Yorkshire Dave

Western Thunderer
Stanchions - I used the P&D GP9 sets on mine. However, only enough are provided for an A unit. You would need another 6 for a B unit.

48'' fans - I presume you're modelling a phase 3 GP9B. I acquired extra RC sprues of 48'' fans from @JasonD. It's worth checking with Jason to see if he has any more kicking around his spares box.

Louvers (louvres) - check the prototype - the Archer Decals louvers are a different profile - more akin to 2nd generation. If you want a match to the RC lovers you may have to print these. I used the Archer louvers on the battery box on my GP9 but they did match the prototype.

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Big Train James

Western Thunderer
Discussion regarding flush doors versus overlapping, in response to the release of the Scaletrains sd45, here. However, the discussion is really about dash 2 versus pre dash 2 models, and I tend to think of the earliest gp's as sort of pre pre dash 2, as the hood stylings were significantly different. This would include the gp7, gp9, gp18, gp20, and possibly the gp30, to my way of thinking.

So perhaps it would be best to look at an actual early gp (or sd) for reference. Here's a sd9 shot from the Mad River and NKP Museum down the road from me.
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And here's a link to a chunk of useful gp9 photos hosted in the Plano Model Products website customer photos gallery, I think having the doors flush would be the best guess, unless photos indicating otherwise on the UP units or the B units in particular can be found.
 
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