Duncan's Mine 2, US/HO 'Finescale'

steve1

Western Thunderer
This is a revised version of, would you believe, Duncan's Mine. The idea is to represent a mine loading pocket in the Upper Peninsula of North Michigan, plus deliveries of supplies to the mine and the nearby town of Pontiac Flats. It is set in the year 1959, a couple of years before the Duluth, South Shore and Atlantic was absorbed into the SOO Line.

Whereas the original was 8" wide and built, partially, on a baseboard donated to me by one Neil Rushby, DM2 is a foot wide. It is also considerably longer. The other main difference is the extra road, taking them up to four.

There are no points on the layout (nor were there on DM1) and it all runs from a a sector plate. The power feeds only from the sector plate, thus each road is a section where a loco can be left. Power is transferred using a sliding piano wire bolt into square section brass tube. The same system locates the track in place.

I use the term finescale as the track is Micro Engineering Code 70 and there is a rolling project of fitting all the stock with finer Code 88, as they are known, profile wheels. This translates, more or less, as an EM equivalent to the P4 standards of 3.5m scale's P87.

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I actually added more to the shed interior before adding the roof.

The main structures are kits, Knightwing and Walthers, although I would like to replace the loader with a scratchbuilt one. There is also a conveyer to be added to the loader's side.

The backscene painter's style might be recognised by some folk; it's a Neil Ripley work, to whom I give thanks.

steve
 

jonte

Western Thunderer
A cosy little scene, Steve, and a novel idea idea!

I have a somewhat strained relationship with M.E. Track work. It looks great and is by far the most accurate of the RTR products on the market I.M.H.O. However, the 'switches' leave a lot to be desired, despite what luminaries such as Lance suggest. I own three of their #6s and each had to have the cast frog insert gingerly filed before I could get anything to pass smoothly over them. The guard rail is also another annoying feature:yes, it does its job, but on mine, the leading truck (bogie) deviates as the wheels come into contact with it as it traverses the crossing nose. Perhaps I'm a little too picky, but if my home made jobbies did the same I'd consign them to the bin.

That said, they still look the part, and the provision of glue-on accessories such as frog and rail bolts are to be applauded and perhaps other manufacturers should take note (an absence of unrealistic sprung locking mechanisms is another plus point!). Regrettably (a desperate shortage of readily available materials at the time) forced me to use what I had left of my ME plain track and ended up shoring up the trusses on the station roof I posted piccies of a couple of posts back. As they're almost like hens' teeth to get hold of over here, I still rue the day I did it!

Code 88s look great, Steve, but would be wasted on a Philistine like me. I think I read once that their finer tyres can drop into crossing gap of most RTR switches -even the 'filled-in' gap of the cast frogs are still an issue, I believe, as the glances are finer than HO like EM to OO as you point out in your post- and might require the addition of some of Andy Reichart's products from his Proto:87 shop (no connection, just gleaned from his website). Of course, this won't be an issue on 'Duncan's' !

I take it the pictures were taken at the Mansfield exhibition you mentioned? I trust it was well received; I'm always drawn to the more compact layout when I attend, although it's been quite sometime since I last visited ( overtones of the Confessional, there !).

I too admire the back scene and your attention to detail.

Thanks for sharing,

Jonte

(Please excuse the random word or two - I hope I've amended most- this smart Alec spell thingy keeps changing words when I'm not looking. Damn you I-pod!).
 

steve1

Western Thunderer
Martin - Yes, Goole, Bridlington and Cleethorpes. I do like to be beside the seaside!

Jonte - Thanks for kind comments. I have used ME track on three previous layouts and their switches on two of them (one without was DM1). I didn't have any of the problems with them you mention and did a lot of exhibitions with them. One was called Steinbeck and featured in the short lived magazine, MRM. The other was Black Rock, Buffalo.

The pics were at Mansfield and did attract attention from some folk. Even had a potential exhibition invite!

steve
 

David Hall

Member
Hi Steve,

I am always fascinated by pointless layouts and I think I remember seeing the original layout when you ventured to the frozen north (Jarrow!) a few years ago.

Are you able to give a little more detail (or close up) of the sector plate? Does it sit on the surface of the flat board and pivot from there?

Also what is the overall length of mk.2?

I hope you don't mind me asking!
David
 

steve1

Western Thunderer
David,

No problem. Everyone here is keen on helping spread a bit of knowledge.

The overall length of the layout, including the non-removable sector plate, is about 7ft.

The sector plate pivots in the middle. That way I could get more scenic area in rather than using up baseboard length for the sector plate.

Out of focus pics of sector plate here:

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and here:

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and here:

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Hope they get the general idea across!

I did do Perth Green with DM 1 in 2012 I think it was.

steve
 

jonte

Western Thunderer
Hi again, Steve.

Apologies; should have responded sooner.

Re the ME track issues mentioned in my last: Glad to read that you didn't experience the same problems with the switches as outlined; perhaps I was just unlucky.

However, not wishing to labour the point, I made my purchases in two instalments, from different suppliers - in different parts of the U.S. - and eighteen months apart, which I believe supports my suspicion that there is/ was an issue with their manufacturing/ quality control procedures.

In fact, I spotted the very same problem on one of the videos released by the builder of a rather popular mid-west themed layout. A close up shot revealed items of rolling stock 'wobbling' over the crossing nose of an ME #6 which I politely pointed out, posted with a brief 'how to' of how I'd resolved the problem with mine. The chap concerned rather graciously thanked me for my observation and helpful hint; however, one or two of his legion of followers hit me with the usual: "let's see what you've made, then!".

I believe they're still laughing to this day :(

Jonte
 

David Hall

Member
David,

No problem. Everyone here is keen on helping spread a bit of knowledge.

The overall length of the layout, including the non-removable sector plate, is about 7ft.

The sector plate pivots in the middle. That way I could get more scenic area in rather than using up baseboard length for the sector plate.

Out of focus pics of sector plate here:

post-143-0-54878600-1395775949.jpg

and here:

post-143-0-56501000-1395860333_thumb.jpg

and here:

post-143-0-03373800-1395775706_thumb.jpg

Hope they get the general idea across!

I did do Perth Green with DM 1 in 2012 I think it was.

steve


Hi Steve,

Thanks that is very informative, to be honest a picture often tells a thousands words in these kind of instances. I really appreciate the reply and extra information. This kind of layout is right up my street, I am keen to give something similar a go, albeit a British setting and, I would imagine in a shorter length.

Yes, I remember you being at the Perth Green show a few years ago and the concept has stuck with me since then.

Thanks again,
David
 

steve1

Western Thunderer
DM2 had a mostly good day out yesterday at the Carlton show in Goole.

Mostly, only because some divot walked into the sector plate and knocked off one of the soldered brass tube connectors. :mad:

Luckily Outwell Alan lent me a soldering iron and some solder and I was able to fix it. Still flippin' annoying though...

Als discover that the middle electrickery pole has lost a cross arm. Ho hum. :(

steve
 

jonte

Western Thunderer
Extremely sorry, to hear that Steve; hope it's not too much of a headache to resolve.

Jonte
 

steve1

Western Thunderer
Thanks for the support chaps. Luckily I was able to fix the soldering 'on site' but the pole is just scenic and will be sorted on the bench.

steve
 

Broad Sword

Western Thunderer
"Knocked off", it may need silver soldering the next time or I believe Mally has some brazing rods.
Hurry up and bring it down to the shed, there's a window between layouts!
 

Yorkshire Dave

Western Thunderer
some divot walked into the sector plate

I have had the same experience at exhibitions when I had a HO SP based switching layout irrespective of warning signs and walking space around the layout. In my case the individual barged into the gap I deliberately left (for my access) to view the bookstall next door, rattled the layout with no word of an apology as if it was my fault for having the layout there.

I've just come to this thread. How long is the sector plate. Does it hold a loco and two 50' cars?

Thanks for the inspiration as it gives me an idea for a small? P48 layout my Cotton Belt stuff :thumbs:.
 

steve1

Western Thunderer
Thanks Dave.

The sector plate will take an RS-3 plus a 40 & a 50 ft car at max.

steve
 
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