Baddesley transfers

DavidinAus

Western Thunderer
Just a thought, but I have drawn on Powerpoint some lettering, etc., for some G3 wagons I hope to make, and will be trying to get a manufacturer to produce transfers for me.

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These are made to go on an A4 size of transfer sheet. The main transfer is 18cm wide. I envisage cutting the transfers into pieces before application, and "blending" the black transfer into the background black colour of the wagon side. I chose the design because a) it's compatible with my favourite locomotive - an 0-4-0+0-4-0 industrial Garratt; b) it's colourful; and c) it's based on a black wagon, which makes the background for the transfers easier to manage.

I know the design is not flawless (the letter shading is not perfect, and the central motif is a little irregular), but I am happy with it. Can anyone see a problem with my idea? Would anyone else like to join my proposed scheme to purchase this "bespoke" design?
 

Ian_T

Western Thunderer
Very nice work David.

I used to live in Baddesley Ensor village in the late 70's. My neighbour Joe, who lived opposite me across the lane was the colliery's Blacksmith. All lovely people and the very best of neighbours. When I first moved in, I didn't have too much and the grass got a bit long. I came home one evening and Wally (next door) had been out cutting his "grass" (they didn't have "lawns") - and had done mine too (front & back). I thanked him and smiling gently he said "No problem Ian - I'm sure you would have done it eventually". So that's how I got a lawn mover before a kitchen table! :)

One other 'Baddesley' story. I was in the Red Lion one evening and asked the Landlord where he was from. He said another village about three miles away. So I remarked that he was "local" then. He laughed and said "No Lad, you're not local around here till your Grannies buried across the road" (in the graveyard). But even as an 'outsider' - I was always welcomed and looked after. Very fond memories.

Have you thought about printing your 'transfers' David - Ted Sadler got a really nice result with his wagon doing it that way...

Regards,

IanT
 

Overseer

Western Thunderer
Just a thought, but I have drawn on Powerpoint some lettering, etc., for some G3 wagons I hope to make, and will be trying to get a manufacturer to produce transfers for me.

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These are made to go on an A4 size of transfer sheet. The main transfer is 18cm wide. I envisage cutting the transfers into pieces before application, and "blending" the black transfer into the background black colour of the wagon side. I chose the design because a) it's compatible with my favourite locomotive - an 0-4-0+0-4-0 industrial Garratt; b) it's colourful; and c) it's based on a black wagon, which makes the background for the transfers easier to manage.

I know the design is not flawless (the letter shading is not perfect, and the central motif is a little irregular), but I am happy with it. Can anyone see a problem with my idea? Would anyone else like to join my proposed scheme to purchase this "bespoke" design?
David
I can laser print white and colours onto waterslide transfer paper so you can apply them to a black painted wagon. If you can provide full size pdf files, one for the white letters and the shape of all the other colours and one for just the colours, I can print them as two sheets to be applied one over the other. It will work much better than printing the black background, which I think you are trying to do.
 

Mike W

Western Thunderer
Overseer, do you think that will work in Gauge 3? There is so much more relief and lumps and bumps that the white will not stretch evenly, so I'm wondering whether it will still line up with the subsequent layer. Would be great if it did.

David - if Overseer's plan works I'd take a couple of sets from you.

Mike
 

DavidinAus

Western Thunderer
I'm contacting Overseer by personal e-mail, because this looks like a very welcome offer. If I understand correctly it is quite like the Powsides version for my S7 wagons, where I had to apply the red cross after the rest of the waterside transfers. Fiddly, but it worked OK. I understand what you are saying about the knobbly bits, though, and lining up the shading of the letters will be difficult.
Happy to give it a try, though.
 

Mike W

Western Thunderer
It certainly helps Max, but in Gauge 3 the relief can be quite a lot and I never manage 100%. In fact I'm lucky to manage 50% but know others do better!

Mike
 

Overseer

Western Thunderer
David, please do you have any news that you can share with us all?

Mike
David had a friendly graphic designer produce some pdf files for the artwork which look nice. He has only seen these photos so far -

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The BADDESLEY lettering worked well first time but the other sheet was a problem. The red was not adhering to the white very well when overprinted as seen in the second photo so the red and green were printed on a separate sheet so they can be manually applied on top of the white. The red colour is solid while the green has some screening visible close up. I am not sure why the red reacted the way it did while the green seemed fine.
 

DavidinAus

Western Thunderer
Overseer has done a great job.
My application is not perfect, and not finished yet, but here is the first try!

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I can see a number of defects, but overall I am very pleased. The number is angled, and the application of colours one on top of another is clearly very difficult exactly to position. To try to position TWO colours (red and green) exactly onto the background white is clearly extremely tricky. Overseer has sent some transfers in single colours as well and overlaid colours: I think the number will have to come off and be replaced first with a white-only transfer, then overlay the green shading.
The raised detail is clearly a problem for me also: I think I might try to obtain the same shades of paint in red, green and white (?!) to fill any defects I create in the transfers when I press them down.
The transfers which i thought would be most difficult (the small writing ones) have come out beautifully. Thank you, Fraser.
I will post again once the "final" result is obtained.

Bye-the-bye: I hadn't realised until this topic came up, that for some of the Private Owner wagons, exactly which livery should be use for which wagon is uncertain: Final Appeal for help : "Baddesley" coal wagon info.
So although the "Baddesley" livery which I like was suggested by Powsides for an RCH 1923 side-doors-only wagon, the best evidence appears to show its use on an end-door-also RCH 1923 coal truck. I was originally building them to be hauled by my Scale Seven Industrial Garratt, by the way. The evidence also suggests that the ball-and-cross symbol should also be in white with a shield line only around it. I like the red, though, so I am going to ignore that piece of historical evidence !

David
 

Overseer

Western Thunderer
David, looking good but a higher gloss finish on the paint will avoid silvering under the transfer film. It might be easier to cut Baddesley into sections to make it easier to apply, the width of an A4 sheet is a big transfer to manage. I didn't expect you to use the out of registration numbers, it is just a standard HP laser printer so it is impossible to control the registration for multiple passes, sometimes it works and other times it doesn't. I am not sure how much expansion of the paper there is but the temperature of the printer does seem to have some impact.
 

DavidinAus

Western Thunderer
First view of the complete wagon. Baddesley wagon complete 1 copy.JPG This is clearly still a work in progress - much finishing still to do. I am at high likelihood of home isolation though, as a hospital doctor, so I should have plenty of time. Can anyone tell me where I can find details (drawings?) of the end-door tipping mechanism, because I would like to model that. This is a Williams "Flexi-kit" so it will have to be full of coal, but the bar about which the end-door lifts is above the door, I think, and so will still be visible.Baddesley wagon complete 2 copy.JPG
Many thanks to Overseer, who made the transfers, my friend Chris Burns who did the drawings, and of course Mike Williams who makes these kits.
I will post pictures of the wagon when finished.

David
 

DavidinAus

Western Thunderer
It is along time coming, over a year I see, but here is my rake of three Baddesley Colliery coal wagons.

3 Baddelsey wagons 3.jpeg There is a story as to why it's taken so long, and why they are in different state of repair of course. Perhaps my next post ...
2111 has clearly just come from the works after an overhaul.

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2116 has clearly had some sort of accident, and has had to have a plank replaced.
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However overall I am very happy with my little group of wagons. My great thanks to Mike Williams and to Overseer, without whom this would not have been possible. I'm quite proud of the end result, although I think more "weathering" is needed to be at all realistic.
 

DavidinAus

Western Thunderer
Here is the story behind a couple of the wagons. Even if it doesn't reflect well on my common sense, there may be some lessons in it.
I started off to build the two wagons as 2116 and 2117 together, as I had two sets of Baddesley transfers to use and two of Mike Williams kits. Building the two at the same time turned out to be a mistake: you see Mike had inadvertently put three of one side in and one of the other when he sent me the kits. Unfortunately I didn't notice this, even when painting them, and even more extraordinarily when putting transfers on! So although 2117 was OK, spot the trouble with 2116!

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By this time I had run out of transfers. I'm absolutely sure Mike would have sent me a new side if I asked (even to Australia!) but that was no use to me as I had no transfers left. So I thought about what to do, and decided to butcher the kit and I cut the ends off one of the side-pieces and reversed them, using Araldite and "Milliput" to try to correct the catastrophe.
Not perfect for rivet-counters, and clearly likely to be a little fragile, but in the circumstances not too bad I thought. A little while later:

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The next problem which I created for myself came when I tried to Araldite the sides onto the underframe. It wasn't quite square when the glue set. Not good, but recoverable I thought. Araldite melts, or at any rate loses its grip, somewhere between 50 degrees Centigrade and boiling point, in my experience. So I waited until the household manager was out, and used her oven to heat the whole wagon up progressively towards 100 degrees, thinking to re-stick the sides. The sides weren't too far out anyway - so I used rubber bands to maintain some of the square shape.

Catastrophe! The whole thing came apart, and the resin warped with temperature so much (the elastic band didn't help I guess) that the sides were badly distorted and the ends nearly bent back on themselves! "Don't try this at home, viewers".
Much anguish and thought later, and fact that the manager was still away, allowed me to use the oven and a pair of surplus flat bathroom tiles to straighten out all four sides and ends, plus the distorted underframe.

So the appearance of 2116 could have been much much worse: see the previous entry. The wagon was put back together but now I saw that one of the transfers was distorted anyway, so I decided to "weather" the wagon, and paint it to look like one of the planks had been replaced but not yet painted.

Good recovery, I think.
 

Mike W

Western Thunderer
"good recovery"? Masterly I would say! and so embarrassing that I made a silly mistake. The rake really does look good, and the coal is perfect.

Mike
 

Samweis36

New Member
I bought this Garrett in 5", right now. Will it be possible that you mail me your Powerpoint lettering for the coal waggons, or the contact to your Decal producer. I would appreciate this very much. As I own some waggons I would like to decorate them in Baddesley Livery. My E-Mail adress would be volker65@gmx.ch

Best regards
Samweis1
 

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