From Llangunllo to Llanbister Rd.

Discussion in 'Layout Progress' started by Geoff, 24 October 2010.

  1. Jordan

    Jordan Mid-Western Thunderer


    That's interesting, Geoff, and very effective too, since they also look right from the 'other' direction; i.e.  against the perspective, it seems, from this pic you posted earlier...
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  2. westernfan

    westernfan Western Thunderer

    Its so realistic Geoff , excellent images . I too agree on the juggling  about of the buildings to get a feel and some ideas. re your creamery thats some thing im working out for my layout . Im going to require four sidings to mange empty,loading ,loaded and a head shunt . so thats Three dairy dioramas on the go on this forum. What buffer beam detailing kit did you use on your bubble car ?

    Chris westernfan
     
  3. Geoff

    Geoff Western Thunderer

    Hi everyone,
    I will be looking forward to seeing the scenic boards CME, as it will be interesting to see what you come up with.
    Good to see another Rice fan here, I too enjoyed his writing style and found it both informative and entertaining.
    I had the pleasure of seeing his layout "Wolverstone" in action when new at a Scalefour society event....1984 I think it was ?


    Hi Jordan,
    Not many people have noticed this, I must have picked the idea up from either the articles of Jack Nelson, Arthur Whitehead or Alex Bowie. All were past masters of perspective modelling in one form or another, ........so how does it work ?
    Well take a look at the attached photo, ignore the wonky signal it wasn't in place properly !!
    The first cottage is more or less to scale with just a hint of a rear wall. Actually there isn't room between the backscene to model it or the roof in full.
    The next cottage is actually slightly lower in height yet because the lane is rising and the cottage is mounted higher it looks to be around the same height. It's width is also less than the first cottage being a little more than half relief, there being only a very slight hint of the rear roof.
    The last cottage though of even less height is modelled a little longer than the other two and because each cottage protrudes slightly more into the lane it has been possible to model it's end elevation much wider. This allows the reverse perspective you mention because as you look down the lane each cottage front elevation now recedes a little behind the one in front which makes them look smaller.......well that is the theory.
    The adjustments in dimensions between all three cottages are only very small and it took many attempts to get the correct proportions. In fact I almost gave up and went back to the original plan of having just open countryside.


    Cheers Chris,
    The photos are taken with a Panasonic Lumix bridge camera, I'm no expert and have more failures than success but feel I am slowly coming to grips with it.
    My Creamery will only have one road for cleaning and loading the tanks as space is at a premium. Empty tanks will be stabled in the siding alongside the approach to the station and propelled into the Creamery siding as required. I am currenty improving a few Dapol 6 wheel tanks which are rather basic as well as rebuilding some old Lima versions which are even worse!

    The bubble detailing kit is by Craftsman, they also do an etched headcode box if you want to change it. Though etched bogie steps are provided in the kit you only get two pairs, for a WR unit you need an additional pair for the guards compartment. I made mine from Plastikard, if you look at my Chronicles blog you will find my account of modifying the model. Photo attached shows the bubble part complete in Penhydd platform.

    Geoff
     

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  4. iploffy

    iploffy OC Blue Brigade

    Lovely work mate

    Ian
     
  5. Geoff

    Geoff Western Thunderer

    Hi CME,
    Well it's good to know I am not the only one to send post into cyberspace and know the feeling when you have just composed something and see it vanish ;D



    Less can indeed mean more, I have been preaching that for a few years now. Prior to starting Penhydd five years ago I was modelling St. Ives and Carbis Bay in all it's glory. But it was just too big and progress was slow, when we downsized Penhydd was dreamt up and I can honestly say building and operating it has given me more pleasure than anything I had built before. As you say, we need to reined in at times.

    The choice of Foamlux is interesting and should prove stable in your garage, will you be making a press for stone / brickwork or scribing by hand ?

    Being a child of the fifties I was lucky enough to experience the rural branchlines and have tried to model the run down neglected look I can remember. All too often chocolate box scenes are modelled and with just a few exceptions it wasn't like that. The buildings and stock on Penhydd are all toned down after painting with shades of grey weathering powders which I feel blends everything together.

    As for the season to model I find the colours of a late dry summer, early autumn interesting. For me there is something about long sunbleached grass and overgrown railway tracks, the following pics. can perhaps put my ideas across .

    Geoff
     

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  6. Geoff

    Geoff Western Thunderer

    Penhydd...........6 Wheel Milk Tank

    Nice viaduct and garden you have there CME, my better half being green fingered thinks the garden layouts here on the forum are lovely and has been taking note of the plants used. Wonder if she is planning a railway, now there's a thought.

    Anyway moving on some of might recall mention of me working on some milk tanks for the future Creamery at Penhydd.  Well today the first one rolled out of the workshop, it is a modified Dapol model. I bought a few when they were first released and to be honest I was a little disappointed.  The model has no coupling hooks, vacumn cylinders or pipework which I feel is a little strange for an all new model in this day and age.  At least the brake blocks line up with the EM wheels and once the missing detail is applied I think the result is ok ?

    A few photos follow starting with a before and after shot.

    Geoff
     

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  7. lancer1027

    lancer1027 Western Thunderer

    Hi Geoff, TOP pics of the milk tanker.  :drool: :bowdown:. How have you weathered it and what colours have you used :thumbs:

    Rob :wave:
     
  8. Geoff

    Geoff Western Thunderer

    Hi Rob,
    From the solebar upwards was done in Dirty Black, a little of it was then removed with a cotton bud so just a little of the lettering was visible on the tank. Below the solebars I have used a mix of Brake Dust and Dirty Black, slightly adjusting the mix as I have gone along. Some of this mix has also been brushed upwards from below the tank. A Dull white mixed with dirty thinners was then applied from the area around the tank filler and allowd to run down the tank. Light Rust was then dry brushed over the axle boxes, springs and parts of the solebar. All the paints were from the Precision range being matt or dull.

    With the paint stll tacky Shades of Rust weathering powder was brushed over the sole bars and around the underside of the tank. Some powder was also brushed upwards from the bottom of the tank. The white paint streaks had a cream weathering powder applied over them and last of all Shades of Grey powder was brushed over certain areas at selected at random.
    Some of the weathering was then removed using a fibreglass brush so just a faint outline of some of the lettering was visible.

    Hope that is clear enough ?
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    Thanks CME I will pass those pics. on to Heather and a spade as well  ;D

    Geoff
     
  9. lancer1027

    lancer1027 Western Thunderer

    Thanks for the detail on the weathering Geoff. :thumbs: I will try it at some point when i start my milk tanks. :thumbs:

    Rob :wave:
     
  10. iploffy

    iploffy OC Blue Brigade

    My better half talked me into the garden railway as she said she didn't want it in the house

    Ian
     
  11. Very nice layout. Beautifully photographed. Reminded me of some of Chris Nevard's work.
    Look forward to seeing some more.
    rgds
    Graham Powell
     
  12. Geoff

    Geoff Western Thunderer

    Hi CME,
    There is something about a 6 wheel tank isn't there ?
    If you are finding the Slaters kit expensive then you can always join us 4mm scale modellers  ;D  But even then you won't have much change out of ?40 if you buy a David Geen kit and the wheels etc,etc, needed to complete it.

    Now the dairy, to begin with it will be made in jigsaw fashion as a storage cassette. The plan being to slide it in place as required, a hidden siding behind the main building will allow a railcar, autotrain or short goods train to be run whilst it is in position. The rough sketch should explain my idea though the building has now been re designed and will feature a modified Dapol platform canopy fitted end on rather than length wise and detailed water tank. The framework will be on top of the board hidden under embankments and the buildings will give additional strength as they will form part of the structure. Imagine an MDF shell clad with Wills brick sheet, the shell being cut out where windows and doors are required.

    Why adopt this method you may ask.........well in the grand scheme the layout will hopefully be extended to the next fictional station down the line and the dairy will be part of the new baseboard. If I get my calculations correct the dairy cassette will just slot in saving valuable time and yet can still be used on the existing layout.



    I like it ;D

    Thanks Graham,
    When I first started posting Penhydd on Rmweb Chris Nevard was kind enough to offer a lot of advice on model photography. He also introduced me to the superb Silflor range of scenics.

    Geoff
     

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  13. Hi, Chris put some fantastic pictures on the railnuts site. I have one as wallpaper. He put one on in b and w and you would think it was an Ivo Peters
    picture instead of a model.
    Brilliant
    rgds
    Graham Powell
     
  14. Geoff

    Geoff Western Thunderer

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    Chris does indeed turn out some superb work, take a look at this...........http://nevardmedia.blogspot.com/2010/10 ... html I think it is superb, you can almost smell hot oil and steam !!


    I also like taking a few shots in black and white, though mine are not in the same league as Mr. Nevard.
    Here we have 3217 running into Penhydd with the branch goods.  Fast forward to the sixties and a Hymek is seen doing the honours. I have started to detail and weather this model but got sidetracked with the milk tanks, you know how it is !

    Geoff
     

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  15. Geoff

    Geoff Western Thunderer

    Evening all,
    Today should have seen a second milk tank appear from the paint shop but to be honest I just wanted to play trains.

    A couple of new pics. were taken at the same time seeing as I had the camera and tripod handy. 4560 was relegated to the pick up goods and is seen here with a milk tank whilst a bubblecar is on duty with the local passenger.

    Geoff
     

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  16. westernfan

    westernfan Western Thunderer

    Hi Geoff

    I just got my craftsman detailing kit in the post very prompt service thanks for pointing me in the right direction . Im also waiting on a lighting kit to arrive as well. The milk tanks look the part , so does the 121 and the black and white images remind me of reading model railway constructor way back in time. I really am enjoying your layout thread .  What motor do you have in the bubble car ? 

    Chris westernfan
     
  17. Phill Dyson

    Phill Dyson Western Thunderer

    Always nice to see some new pics of your wonderful layout  :bowdown: 8) 8) 8).  I like the weathering on the milk tank too , are all three axles rigid on the 4mm versions of these tanks ?

    Phill  :wave:
     
  18. Geoff

    Geoff Western Thunderer

    Morning Chris
    You didn't waste much time in getting the kit, I didn't bother with lighting but did make on or two changes to the model which you should be able to see if you click on this link  http://thechroniclesofpenhydd.blogspot. ... html Scroll down past the books and you will come to the topic in question.

    My model is the Hornby version and so uses their new style power bogie, must say my sample is a really smooth one.  It is also very easy to fit scale wheels or do an EM conversion.  Another good point about the Hornby model is that it comes with reasonable flush glazing, South Eastern Finecast can supply glazing if you have the early Lima model

    You mentioning the "Constructor" is interesting as it was the only magazine my newsagent could get for me !  We are talking early sixties here and it was sometime before I could get hold of the "Modeller" which was my preferred choice.

    Thanks Phill,
    The milk tanks are three axle rigid and I could only get EM wheels in place by removing a lot of material from within the chassis frames. As luck would have it the approach curve to Penhydd is 6 ft radius and the wagons are more than happy with that and points down to B6.  The second tank which should appear sometime this week is an old Lima model. Rather than dispose of it I wanted to see if it could be converted to EM and brought upto the current day level of detail. I did at one stage think I would have to use etched 'w' irons and have a little compensation, however it is more than happy in rigid form as well.

    Cheers,
    Geoff


    A couple of pics. follow showing the arrival and departure of a local passenger train on a summer evening.

    Cheers,
    Geoff
     

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  19. Geoff

    Geoff Western Thunderer

    Evening All,
    I know you guys like your 6 wheel milk tanks, this one on the right is an old reworked Lima model which I finished today. Another six to go and I think I will turn my attention to the creamery itself. However I think the Hymek will be a priority now as I can't wait to see it coupled up to the tanks. Just awaiting some numerals from Fox and once she is renumbered the weathering can be completed.

    Cheers,
    Geoff
     

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  20. 28ten

    28ten Guv'nor

    :thumbs: those milk tanks look very convincing