LBSCR Covered Goods 1851

Discussion in 'G3' started by Jon Nazareth, 30 November 2020.

  1. Jon Nazareth

    Jon Nazareth Western Thunderer

    I've made a start on the underframe for this covered van which I have been meaning to build for a number of years. I do have a drawing but I had a look at the HMRS website to see if they had anything there. It just so happens that they do have two drawings of early covered vans, one with an end door, but the other one could just be the one in the picture. The problem is that lockdown 2 has interrupted my order and I'm not sure if the HMRS will open this week. Fingers crossed that they can as I would love to compare drawings and also have a look at the one with the end door. If the drawing is clear enough, I'll probably have a go at that one too.
    I ordered a set of 3' 1" open spoke wheels from Mark Wood and they duly arrived. I started to machine them up yesterday afternoon and made an apprentice's error on all four wheels which meant that they were scrap :'(. Well, scrap as far as this application is concerned. If I find a wagon that uses 2' 9" wheels, they could come in handy for that. Anyone any ideas?

    Jon

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  2. Marc Dobson

    Marc Dobson Western Thunderer

    interesting.

    Marc
     
  3. Yorkshire Dave

    Yorkshire Dave Western Thunderer

    I'll keep an eye out when I'm looking at my LBSCR, LCDR and SER books :).
     
  4. JimG

    JimG Western Thunderer

    Jon,

    I'm assuming that your wheel tyres are now about a scale 1" thick and not 3" thick with the spoke centres being OK. So turn them down further to just leave a thin rim and fit new tyres from steel. Digging around for suitable material for the tyres might be a bit of a job. I dare say getting a bit of steel bar of the appropriate diameter might be the most straightforward but you'll be knee deep in swarf boring the tyres out. :) And you might have to purchase at least a foot of the bar leaving you with a long leftover bit to clutter up you workbench. :)

    Jim.
     
  5. Rob R

    Rob R Western Thunderer

    Jon,

    My HMRS drawing order was posted out on friday and dropped through the door today.

    I suspect they are working through a bit of a backlog.

    Rob
     
  6. Jon Nazareth

    Jon Nazareth Western Thunderer

    Jim
    I don't think that I would fit steel rims to the wheels. Having said that though, how would they be held in place?

    Rob
    I'll send an email and ask HMRS how they are getting on.

    Here is the picture showing a bit more. I think that there is even more with an extension to the right.
    I'm curious why there is that beading fixed onto the end. Logic says that it it fixed over the junction of the various wooden sections but it's a bit narrow to my way of thinking. I always thought that it was off a square section but looking at it again, it looks half round stuff.

    Jon

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  7. Mike W

    Mike W Western Thunderer

    I think that is exactly what they are Jon - to cover the join between the planks and the framing. The LNWR, who admittedly were not at the forefront of wagon design, used similar half round beading even on their final covered van design - D88.
     
  8. Marc Dobson

    Marc Dobson Western Thunderer

    I was going to say not an uncommon feature. LSWR refrigerated van had it and they were still being built in 1919.

    Marc
     
  9. Jon Nazareth

    Jon Nazareth Western Thunderer

    Here is the underframe. It's sitting on some borrowed wheels just so that I could set up the brake block. It'll probably be a long wait before the new wheels arrive.

    Jon

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  10. Jon Nazareth

    Jon Nazareth Western Thunderer

    Here is a picture of one of the almost completed sides, it still needs some cleaning up and the door fittings adding but it's starting to look the part.
    The other picture is the simple jig that I used to hold all together while applying the Mek-Pak.

    Jon

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  11. Jon Nazareth

    Jon Nazareth Western Thunderer

    Not easy taking a picture of something white. This is one of the sides complete with door hinges, door fastener, head drip and door stop on the bottom of the doors.

    Jon

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  12. Yorkshire Dave

    Yorkshire Dave Western Thunderer

    Interesting to see the van has 5 link rather than 3 link chain couplings and safety chains.
     
  13. Jon Nazareth

    Jon Nazareth Western Thunderer

    Dave
    I've seen the 5 link variety on drawings of early wagons. Maybe they changed later on as it was cheaoper?

    Jon
     
  14. Jon Nazareth

    Jon Nazareth Western Thunderer

    Here is the van so far. There's a little bit of cleaning up to do before it can be painted but that can wait until tomorrow. I've ordered some .5mm aluminium sheet with which to fashion a roof but until it arrives, the painting has to wait. As above, I did have a set of wheels but cocked up the machining and the new ones won't be here until late spring well, that was the proposed delivery time until this latest lockdown.

    Jon

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  15. Jon Nazareth

    Jon Nazareth Western Thunderer

    Here it is complete with poor photos, I know, but I did try. I managed to machine these wheels and 16 others all without mistakes. I have projects for three sets of the other wheels but one set is spare. I expect that something will turn up needing a set of open spoke wheels. :)

    Jon

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  16. john lewsey

    john lewsey Western Thunderer

    That really does look very nice Jon
    John
     
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  17. Mike W

    Mike W Western Thunderer

    The wheels certainly are nice Jon and ell worth the effort. Not sure about the cost of them though.

    Oh, the van's superb too!

    Mike
     
  18. Marc Dobson

    Marc Dobson Western Thunderer

    John
    How long do you think these vans lasted? I've moved my 7mm LBSCR layout's time line to 1890-95 do you think they would have been scrapped by then?

    Marc
     
  19. Jon Nazareth

    Jon Nazareth Western Thunderer

    Marc
    I'm not 100% sure but, I expect that they certainly would have been scrapped in your time period. There are at least two covered vans that came after this one.

    Jon
     
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  20. Jon Nazareth

    Jon Nazareth Western Thunderer

    John and Mike

    Thank you.

    Jon