mickoo
Western Thunderer
Following a recent interesting discussion and my general interest in engines with the yellow stripe I thought it'd be good to put it all in here.
So from the other thread I'll reiterate thus.
Brian, I've not heard of a blanket ban on Scots or Coronations from working under the wires, certainly not all of those classes or all of any class carried yellow stripes, there are plenty of photos of Scots and Coronations without yellow stripes working south of Crewe past 1960 when the wires were energized, some even as late as 64 when virtually all of the electrifed zone was live. There's even more of them working north under the wires to Weaver Jct, either on trains to Liverpool which was electrified or to the Glasgow.
There is also evidence of engines with yellow stripes working south of Crewe as well, usually later, say 63 64 when it was realized that the original calculations had erred on the side of caution, or when engines had worn enough to clear the clearance gallows fitted at Crewe, Rugby and Willesden, to name but three.
Coronations, all 1964, all working south of Crewe under live wires, the Watford one may not be live or if it was, only just and being used for testing etc, but the engine would of traveled south under long sections that were live.
46228 Madeley 64
46228 Watford 64
46240 Rugby 64
Engine height OHLE wire test gallows at Willesden 1961, at this time electrification was only Crewe to Manchester with the Liverpool extension was under way and completed the following year.
Scots tended not to be regular at Willesden after 62-63 but still made the odd special trip, Coronations worked to Euston until the very end, long after Camden closed and were serviced at Willesden as late as 64.
More than happy to carry on the yellow stripe debate, but suggest a new thread so as to not clutter Nicks up, it could get image heavy , yellow striped locos, their trains and locations from 60-64 south of Crewe being one of my more abused anoraks, in fact 'any' steam, diesel or electric 1960-64 on the LMR under the wires falls into that interest bubble, but more accurately late 1962 in Cheshire and Staffordshire when the last of the Lizzies rubbed shoulders with diesels that were just beginning to get their yellow fronts.
So, open floor to debate, discuss the possible reasons, limiting and ignoring of the yellow stripe painted on engines in the early 60's.
Known classes off the top of my head are Coronations, Scots, Jubilees, 8F and Fowler 4F What would be nice a full list of all engines that had yellow stripes, I'll dig through my notes this weekend and make up a Excel spreadsheet with engines and where possible, dates fitted.
So from the other thread I'll reiterate thus.
Brian, I've not heard of a blanket ban on Scots or Coronations from working under the wires, certainly not all of those classes or all of any class carried yellow stripes, there are plenty of photos of Scots and Coronations without yellow stripes working south of Crewe past 1960 when the wires were energized, some even as late as 64 when virtually all of the electrifed zone was live. There's even more of them working north under the wires to Weaver Jct, either on trains to Liverpool which was electrified or to the Glasgow.
There is also evidence of engines with yellow stripes working south of Crewe as well, usually later, say 63 64 when it was realized that the original calculations had erred on the side of caution, or when engines had worn enough to clear the clearance gallows fitted at Crewe, Rugby and Willesden, to name but three.
Coronations, all 1964, all working south of Crewe under live wires, the Watford one may not be live or if it was, only just and being used for testing etc, but the engine would of traveled south under long sections that were live.
46228 Madeley 64
46228 Watford 64
46240 Rugby 64
Engine height OHLE wire test gallows at Willesden 1961, at this time electrification was only Crewe to Manchester with the Liverpool extension was under way and completed the following year.
Scots tended not to be regular at Willesden after 62-63 but still made the odd special trip, Coronations worked to Euston until the very end, long after Camden closed and were serviced at Willesden as late as 64.
More than happy to carry on the yellow stripe debate, but suggest a new thread so as to not clutter Nicks up, it could get image heavy , yellow striped locos, their trains and locations from 60-64 south of Crewe being one of my more abused anoraks, in fact 'any' steam, diesel or electric 1960-64 on the LMR under the wires falls into that interest bubble, but more accurately late 1962 in Cheshire and Staffordshire when the last of the Lizzies rubbed shoulders with diesels that were just beginning to get their yellow fronts.
So, open floor to debate, discuss the possible reasons, limiting and ignoring of the yellow stripe painted on engines in the early 60's.
Known classes off the top of my head are Coronations, Scots, Jubilees, 8F and Fowler 4F What would be nice a full list of all engines that had yellow stripes, I'll dig through my notes this weekend and make up a Excel spreadsheet with engines and where possible, dates fitted.