Ulverscroft Model Railway

oldravendale

Western Thunderer
This post is a bit difficult but I'll go ahead because it may be considered important. It's also a GWR railway so hardly fits in Area 51 in a way! Furthermore, despite trying to visit I've been unable to do so. As a result these comments are second hand but I knew David Clarke through the GCR until his untimely and sudden death.

The story so far. My wife and I visited Tim Mills' wife a few weeks ago. She's caught a serious interest in railway preservation through Tim and knows I'm a modeller so thought this may be of interest. The model railway (4mm) is attached to and part of a worthy charity called the Shuttlewood Clarke Foundation - see Support, wellbeing. friendship, loneliness, isolation, community. She visited with a friend last Friday and "was horrified and not a little upset to be told that - without warning, the trustees have decided to close, dismantle and possibly throw away the whole model unless another home can be found for it before 19th December. I (she) took lots of photos but they hardly give any idea of its size, detail, and sheer beauty." (Eve's words). Some photos are attached - phone photos only at this stage. Apparently the building needs a new roof which can’t be done while the model is in situ. Also the Trustees have decided to have another retail shop in the building rather than the railway (Eve put in a !!! after this staement) and as a charity this seems a good idea in terms of raising cash but I wonder if they are missing a trick if the railway is really as impressive as suggested. Having said this I really believe in the aims of the charity and the money they raise is the most important aspect of their operation apart from the distribution of funds after they are raised.

This layout is clearly rather too big to fit in to the average garage or club room and probably the rolling stock and some of the buildings could be found a new home but it'll be a shame if not worse to break up or destroy an attractive layout. Why not open it to paying punters at a weekend? Currently it's a free add on to the cafe and second hand/antique :)) retail facilities already there.

You'll understand that all this is not only second hand and unseen but without any reference to the current owners. It'd be interesting to hear the views of anyone who may have visited and could have an objective view of the railway. As I'm unlikely to get to Leicestershire for a visit until well after Christmas I'll not be able to give an objective assessment.

I believe that David Clarke probably wanted his model railway used as one of the tools to bring punters in to the charity and spend their money - his legacy is the double track on the GCR. But if I'm correct the raising of the cash for the charity is the main concern. But is this a good enough reason to destroy another part of his legacy?

Brian

(If you want more photos Eve can supply. :) )

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Osgood

Western Thunderer
David’s legacy was the double track of the GCR?
The significance of that takes a while to absorb.

As you can walk around the layout it should be quite feasible to install a temporary floor structure above it, thus sealing off the layout to facilitate roof replacement.
That doesn’t of course resolve the issue of the space being needed for other charitable aims (gift shop).
 

oldravendale

Western Thunderer
Thanks for yours, @jonte. That lead me to another on YouTube about the current predicament:

Yes, Tony @Osgood , David funded most if not all the double track between Loughborough and Rothley as well as many other projects. It'd be a real shame to see his model railway broken up but at this size and in the time available? It's doubtful it could be moved in the time available even if there was somewhere for it to go. As for the trustees saying that it has to be moved to get the roof done that may just have made their job of getting rid of something which they see as being of no benefit somewhat easier. I'm no builder so couldn't question whether a temporary roof could be installed.

Brian
 

simond

Western Thunderer
I’m not in possession of the facts presented to the trustees but with that caveat, I would suggest they may wish to reconsider.

The layout is very large, evidently to a high standard, and of historical relevance to the GCR.

It seems to me to be worthy of a lasting home where, with the aid of a volunteer brigade, it can continue to raise funds for the railway.

If it can attract passing trade, so much the better, but I don’t think that would necessarily be its first priority.

And if finding a home and relocation takes time, it should be possible to arrange it - even if, in the final analysis, a gift shop is a more effective source of income and therefore an arguably better use of the area.

But this is all opinion, from a distance, and from a position of relative ignorance

Good luck!
Simon
 

oldravendale

Western Thunderer
It seems to me to be worthy of a lasting home where, with the aid of a volunteer brigade, it can continue to raise funds for the railway.

...and that's the rub, Simon. Volunteers are a rare resource and a model railway, even if so closely associated with a major sponsor of the GCR, falls somewhere behind other projects, most notably the reunification. The other big concern is the lack of time to plan and execute a removal. I've made some enquiries but I have to admit to being rather pessimistic about the whole affair.

Brian
 

oldravendale

Western Thunderer
That's a pretty good and accurate review of the current situation. One of the earlier trustees is working hard to ensure the railway stays in place. I understand the wish to increase turnover but, with the best will in the world, the retail premises at Ulverscroft are perhaps less good than charity shops - in fact some of them are little better than junk shops. I think the hurtful thing which the current trustees fail to have grasped is that David Clarke gifted the railway to the Foundation, he was a dyed in the wool railway enthusiast and supporter and they are pushing such an important part of his life out of the history of the Foundation.

There's no doubt that there has been little or no effort to advertise the railway and encourage visitors and handled properly this could be a real benefit.

Brian
 

oldravendale

Western Thunderer
As with all things preservation it's down to resources and for the GCR those resources are pointed in the direction of ongoing maintenance and reunification. It'd be difficult to direct people away from the main objective to stripping and moving a model railway. Also, at a practical level, none of the stations on the GCR has a room large enough to accommodate a railway of this size without compromising existing facilities.

This sounds very negative but it is realistic. A club with sufficient room would be the best location but we have to recognise that such a large space will be difficut to find.

We have to deal with this as a separate issue to the running of a large preserved railway. We can't risk compromising and diluting the principle objective.

I feel that the best answer would be for the Foundation to feature this in their publicity. I've been visiting the railway in Loughborough for more than 50 years and it's only this year that I learned about the existence of the model railway.

Brian
 

simond

Western Thunderer
Splendid news!

that said, the website doesn't say that very clearly - sort of "mixed messages".

I note that the model railway is billed as "Free" but also there is an asterisk next to the opening hours, saying "dependent on volunteers" which is clearly a problem. I'm very happy to organise a car load from Kent to come and visit, and put a fiver (or more) each in the pot but I'm not going to consider a 4 hour drive if the place might be closed.


and a further bit of advice from the grumpy gits' corner, STOP USING BLOODY FACEBOOK FOR EVERYTHING! (particuarly when it contradicts your own website) as many people do not, and never will use it.

Brian, @oldravendale

If you can point me at the right person, I will happily give them personally the benefit of my opinions :))

cheers
S
 

oldravendale

Western Thunderer
I heard the news yesterday. Excellent! It is only the start and I hope that some effort is made to publicise the railway. I'll be visiting next time I'm in Leicestershire but as Simon says it's difficult to know in advance when it'll be open. Hopefully they can form some sort of club around the railway now that they appear to have a measure of security. Tim Mills' wife was instrumental in raising a petition and publicised the railway locally and similar enthusiasts seem to have embarrassed the trustees in to reversing their decision - at least that's the way I read it.

As for who's responsible for the Facebook entries I have no idea! It's the means of communication of the devil as far as I'm concerned and I refuse to engage. However there's no doubt that one's presence as a society or organisation on Facebook brings one's interest/company/club to a much wider audience than one could achieve by other means.

Brian
 

oldravendale

Western Thunderer
Now that the railway is safe, at least for the moment, we need some reliable dates when it's open. I'm in contact indirectly with some of the people who were instrumental in getting the trustees at Ulverscroft to reconsider their decision and I'm wondering whether we could get agreement to open the railway for enthusiasts (and others) on a specific weekend day. If it's a success it'll be some sort of indication that a publicity drive by the trustees might encourage footfall. If we can organise an open day how much interest would there be?

(That is a question to all so if you'd have an interest in attending please let me know).

As I understand things at the moment the cafe/restaurant does not open at weekends which seems a bit strange. The given reason is that there are so many other local attractions at the weekend that it's not worth doing so. My guess would be that actually it's associated with the availability of volunteers. However, if we have a specific date we could work with maybe they'd have a special opening.

Please understand that these are the ramblings of an unsound mind and it might be impractical but it may just help to get the thing properly kicked off.

Brian
 

simond

Western Thunderer
This, potentially equally unsound, mind is inclined to make the journey, assuming I can round up a carload of the Folkestone mafia.

I‘d hope to get four or five of us, but as with all things the devil will be in the detail.

I’m assuming before Easter rather than before Christmas.

(And as a bonus, I might bring a detonator placer…)

atb
Simon
 

oldravendale

Western Thunderer
Thank you Simon... I fully realise that, as you say, the devil is in the detail and until there is a real date and proven bookings we are rather in limbo. Certainly any thought of a trip would be after Christmas and probably nearer Easter in the hope of getting some decent weather. In any event we have to organise it and twist the arms of the Trustees. I have still not seen the railway myself in the flesh but will try to organise a visit.

As for the detonator placer... I'm embarrassed beyond belief that I couldn't collect it this year. It will happen but unplanned domestic incidents have a nasty way of interrupting the best made plans.

Brian
 

simond

Western Thunderer
No worries about the det placer, Madame asks occasionally, as she does about a bag of books that are "decorating" our bedroom, but she doesn't seem even mildly stressed about it :cool:

I will float the idea at our next Tuesday night Beer and Bollox teleconference and down the pub next Thursday. I'm sure there will be a quorum!
 
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