7mm US model dabblings

Discussion in 'Area 51' started by Jordan, 8 April 2013.

  1. Yorkshire Dave

    Yorkshire Dave Western Thunderer

    The SP barrel tenders may well have been built by Vanderbilt however those without the square oil tank were referred to as barrel (or sausage) tenders. They were generally, but not always, attached to switchers due to their all round visibility.

    Their SSW (Cotton Belt) subsidiary prior to SP ownership was experimenting with oil as a fuel for steam locomotives as early as 1898. Then shortly afterwards became the first south western railroad to use oil as a fuel for all of their steam locomotives.
  2. Pencarrow

    Pencarrow Western Thunderer

    Morning all.

    I've no real interest in American outline steam but I've found the recent discussion in this thread interesting and, dare I say it, educational. I can now baffle the good lady with my knowledge of German throttle words. Smashing stuff.
  3. JasonD

    JasonD Western Thunderer

  4. PhilH

    PhilH Western Thunderer

    Are you giving away stuff on your sales stand free ? :)
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  5. simond

    simond Western Thunderer

    Unipart used that motto in a sales campaign years back

    I went in and asked "do you have a fan belt for a 1972 Lancia Fulvia?"

    silly question really...
  6. JasonD

    JasonD Western Thunderer

    Agreed Simon, but I've had 2 more responses to mine here than Nth American 2-rail O-scale sales tables at UK meets (Winchester 23rd Oct) comments have gotten so far!!
  7. JasonD

    JasonD Western Thunderer

    Yes. Can't honestly say that I'm sure you will find much ...where's the cross-thru' button... anything you need in the free box. Oh, Grandt Line, etc building parts? On3 set of trucks? Amazing what turns up! Llanbedr used to be such a good magic word.
  8. Dog Star

    Dog Star Western Thunderer

    Not really, I recall asking at a BL garage, in the early 1970s, for a clutch release bearing to suit a WWII military vehicle... and was I surprised when such a bearing appeared.

    "No idea what this fits in the BL range mate, package has the correct number for your motor". I am still in the dark about that bearing...

    On a similar theme, in the late 1980s the Robey Trust needed a self-aligning ball bearing for the crankshaft of a Robey which was being restored in the Tavistock area. One of the volunteers worked in a dockyard nearby and showed initiative by looking in an appropriate stores catalogue. Now why a crankshaft bearing for a Robey was on the shelf in a dockyard stores is lost in the mists of time, suffice to say that the bearing did fit and the roller has rolled ever since.

    regards, Graham
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  9. Allen M

    Allen M Western Thunderer

    This should probably be in petrol heads
    "Thousands of parts for millions of cars." so said the advert. The name originally belong to a very knowledgeable one man cars spares shop in Kidderminster. Sometime in the mid/late 1960s he was offered a sum of money too good to refuse and it went to British Layland. The man carried on under his own name (which I can't recall) for quite a few more years before shutting shop and retiring.
    One reason parts fit a variety of different things is that they are 'bought in' items. However bar codes/part number don't show it. An example, for many years I had a BMW motorbike. I could get ignition points & bulbs marked BMW at a high price, the same thing at a VW dealer a bit cheaper and Halfords cheaper still.

  10. Scale7JB

    Scale7JB Western Thunderer

    Hmmm I was tempted by the Winchester show, especially as I have a new toy I’d like to give a bit of a run.

    Might be just that bit too far from the ‘wrong’ side of London though..

  11. Scale7JB

    Scale7JB Western Thunderer

    I would be very interested to know if there are any on30 MMI locos for sale at the Winchester show, and what sort of money they are selling for.

  12. Yorkshire Dave

    Yorkshire Dave Western Thunderer

    @mickoo ..... when you get your A1A-A1A Nohab built you'll have to finish it like this.


    Strabag is an Austrian based international construction company with a rail division.
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  13. JasonD

    JasonD Western Thunderer

    Winchester was a good Meet, no, not as big a crowd as ...er, last time whenever that was.

    My main prob was the owner of the O-scale std gauge layout next to me had a small, short-notice op and had to come down by train. A new On30 layout was the substitute. Last time that no std ga O-scale happened to me was Croydon many, many years ago - I took £20. At least I'm slightly better known now.

    I was too busy to walk around much(!), well 1 x b'fast and 3 x flapjacks, so no sightings of MMI locos, but I'll ask.
  14. Scale7JB

    Scale7JB Western Thunderer

    Thanks Jason, I think I may have made the switch now to On3, still early days so not a problem but be interesting to know anyway about uk availability of On3/On30 MMI locos.

  15. mickoo

    mickoo Western Thunderer

    Added to the collection today is an Overland (OMI) GP30, quite a nice detailed model, better than some OMI ones I've seen before so I expect it's quite a recent (relative) production run.

    Second is a KTM Union Pacific Big Boy imported by Westside models. KTM did three runs of these engines as far as I can tell, all imported by different sellers. The earliest is Max Grey in the 60's, then US Hobbies in the late 70's and finally Westside in the early 80's. Westside has the best spec but is beaten by PSC which will be beaten by Kohs if and when it gets produced.







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  16. PhilH

    PhilH Western Thunderer

    Don't forget the Key Imports Big Boys which pricewise at least come between the PSC and Kohs models.
    Nice dull finish to the Big Boy, better than the normal black semi glossy finish on factory painted models. Presumably a custom paint job as I believe these Westside locos were supplied unpainted.
  17. mickoo

    mickoo Western Thunderer


    I thought Key models was PSC or a partnership, I'll have a rummage around the web. There's a few extras on the Westside that are not on the previous US Hobbies version I have but overall there's little to choose between the two, both lack that zing that the Samhongsa UP 9000's or the PSC AC-6 I have.

    The paint finish is nice and I think is post factory, as you say they were imported unpainted and in some cases partially stripped down to avoid taxes.

    It is much more lifelike to my eyes and the smokebox grey more subdued that the almost bright silver you sometimes see. The wheels have been painted a sort of blue grey and it's taken some battering and rubbed off the balance weights and around the wheel boss, I suspect some washers have been left out during the rebuild post paint. I'm not a fan of the pressed chrome plated valve gear so both engines will at a bare minimum get new etched valve gear at some point.

    I'm tempted to do very little with this one other then add a bit of light weathering, strip the wheels and put on a decent primer that actually sticks and some matt black paint over the top. I'll service the drive train and if it runs smooth leave it, if not I'll stick a gearhead motor in for slow speed running and walk away.
  18. PhilH

    PhilH Western Thunderer

    I don't think there's any connection between PSC and Key Imports. PSC has recently come under new ownership and seems to now only deal in detail parts.

    The Brass Guide 2009 edition lists the following 0 Scale Big Boys:

    Max Grey/KTM 1958 unpainted #4000-4014
    US Hobbies/KTM 1968 unpainted #4000-4014
    Westside/KTM No date unpainted, quantity 295
    PSC/? 1981 unpainted
    PSC/? 1983 factory painted, Crown
    PSC/? 1983 factory painted, Crown, ball bearings
    Key/Samhongsa 1989 unpainted, 4000 Class as delivered
    Key/Samhongsa 1989 factory painted, 4000 Class as delivered
    Key/Samhongsa 1989 unpainted, 4020 Class modified
    Key/Samhongsa 1989 factory painted, 4020 Class modified

    Key Imports have a new Big Boy under development, price not stated.

    Kohs also have an 0 Scale Big Boy under development, first announced in 2002. There's a photo of a sample tender on their website, produced in 2019, but they don't seem to have got as far as a sample loco yet. Estimated price $6000.
    They've also announced an 0n3 D&RGW K36 - Oh dear ! :rolleyes: (not that I could afford it anyway !)

    I've got the same "chrome plated" valve gear problem on an Overland UP 0-6-0 switcher that I'm converting to DCC, as a couple of friends are building a US switching layout. Brass or Steel blackening chemical won't touch it, so I may try Humbrol metalcote which looks reasonably like weathered steel.
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  19. mickoo

    mickoo Western Thunderer


    Cheers, didn't realise there were so many renditions, I must have put the wrong search criteria in....or just fat finger syndrome :))

    Interestingly I just also picked up the box for the PSC AC-6 I bought last time I was there, couldn't find it back then, it's marked Crown Series and some other logo, Iron Horse something....can't check as it's now buried near the bottom of the pile.

    Seems I may need to trade my US Hobbies and Westside in at some point for PSC or even better Key/Samhongsa ;)

    Maybe when I win the lottery :cool:

    I've no idea what the valve gear is made of, but it just spoils the models, mind, they're old models so it's what was acceptable back then.
  20. Jordan

    Jordan Mid-Western Thunderer

    With all these brass locos swilling around, I thought you already had..?? :rolleyes: :)) :thumbs:
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