VANilla - 7mm - ready for painting

Discussion in 'Workbenches, including workshop techniques.' started by 76043, 5 October 2020.

  1. 76043

    76043 Western Thunderer

    Thank you all for your replies, especially Larry for the pics of your nice Mac L.

    I guess it's not enough of a distance to get worried about.

  2. Landy

    Landy Member

    Prototype buffer heights will always vary, due obviously to whether the vehicle is loaded/unloaded but also due to such things as wheel/tyre wear and also wear to suspension. During my time on the railway - and believe it's still the same now - the allowable wagon buffer heights were 3'6" maximum going down to 3'1" (the lower figure was obviously when loaded) , a few wagons did have slightly different max/mins but that is a good general rule.
  3. 76043

    76043 Western Thunderer

    That's really useful information, very many thanks.
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  4. 76043

    76043 Western Thunderer

    The GER Mac K is coming on, the deck, side plates and buffer beams are done. Buffers and drawgear is also tentatively in place. Now trying to work out a suitable way of making the Peco buffer spring work in a space that hasn't enough room.


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  5. 76043

    76043 Western Thunderer

    So I've turned my attention to removable W-irons. This should be self explanatory, Evergreen strip is used as it's generally quite square in section, is robust enough to take a 10BA tap solidly. The W-irons on the opposite side are glued in.

    It's a Parkside 16t mineral, which does have separate W-irons.


  6. 76043

    76043 Western Thunderer

    Mineral chassis is now complete, all four wheels are level when on my engineering flatbed, so as it's my first O gauge kit, I'm pleased. The removable w-irons are secure and come off easily.

    Now turning my attention to the bodywork, have heat treated with boiling water the sides, so they now bow out slightly, not inwards.

    As my intended time period is late fifties, I'm thinking a five year old mineral wouldn't be too battered???


  7. 76043

    76043 Western Thunderer

    16t mineral #1 is finished and ready for painting and 16t mineral #2 is now underway. Paint was stripped off and it was carefully disassembled, not helped by being glued with superglue and quite liberally applied too. Most parts are now back to the bare plastic now and the w-irons on. The tiny spots of white on the underframe are my styrene infills where the previous owner decided to cut back the framing instead of seeing if it actually fits. For some reason the drawhook was bent round and the underframe also cut away, but all now restored as it should be.


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  8. Stephen

    Stephen Member

    Thats interesting about the use of kitchen cleaner spray. I've previous purchased the precision paint stripper, which isn't cheap.

    I purchased a few Parkside O gauge wagons previously off e-bay which needed attention, I don't think I've been as lucky as you, seeing as mine were literally glued solid, making it almost impossible to take them apart. I need to revisit them sometime and potentially get an order in with Peco for some spare underframe sprues. The dodgy body work I can probably live with, seeing as the corners can be filled, but axles that aren't parallel is another matter.


  9. 76043

    76043 Western Thunderer

    Hi Stephen,
    Yes, the kitchen bleach cleaner takes about 24 hours normally, stubborn built up paint another day, but it dissolves away enamel and acrylic happily.

    Yes, I have been lucky to get the kits apart, the second mineral was super glued, so required more persuasive action, so you could have another look, the plastic bodies can take it, underframes less so.

    But I have bought four sets of Parkside underframe sprues, and lots of parts from Slaters so I haven't been that lucky.


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  10. Phil O

    Phil O Western Thunderer

    Hi Tony,

    A good soak in hot water will breakdown super glue, well it worked when I stuck my fingers together.


    Phil .
  11. 76043

    76043 Western Thunderer

    Thanks Phil for that trick.
  12. Phil O

    Phil O Western Thunderer

    Your welcome .
  13. 76043

    76043 Western Thunderer

    So they say you only get what you pay for and by refurbishing old cheap poorly made kits, the maxim is the same.

    This small horror reared it's head this weekend.

    The axle is scrap.


  14. AJC

    AJC Western Thunderer

    Drat. Can replacement axles be had for Slater's(?) wheels? Just because I have a couple of second hand O gauge wagons for rebuild in the drawer, you see...

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  15. 76043

    76043 Western Thunderer

    I don't know Adam, but if I had a lathe I could easily make a new one.

    I'll still have the two disc wheels as spares for any other Parkside wheels that go lame.

  16. paulc

    paulc Western Thunderer

    Hi Tony , you could use it as a , actually i dont really know . You're correct its scrap , why would someone do that . I would offer you a replacement axle but you're a long way from Australia .
    Cheers Paul
  17. 76043

    76043 Western Thunderer

    Thank you Paul, it's a long way, but the sentiment is appreciated. I too couldn't fathom out why you would file the axle that way. But in rebuilding these kits I've seen plenty of things that reflect on possibly unclear kit instructions and far too much haste on the part of the kit builder. The latter is more of the culprit than the former I think though.

  18. 76043

    76043 Western Thunderer

    So both minerals are more or less finished and ready for painting, so I've finished something by Christmas.


    Not bad considering they looked like this in October, the brown one was £22.50 and the unpainted one £18.50. I bought some Peco chassis sprues, for £13.50 to rebuild them, with some spare buffers from the Parkside range, so not a massive saving on the price of new kits, but nice to rebuild and upcycle them.


    Time to look at the LMS all steel van again.
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  19. 76043

    76043 Western Thunderer

    The LMS D1828 van is now just awaiting NMRS RCH buffers that match those shown in the LMS wagons book. The corners also need filling, one has been done already.


    There's been a lot of work done on this van, firstly one of solebars is removable, along with the roof so that the wheels can be removed. It does mean one of brake levers is also removable. I added the support bracket going to the w-irons from the brake lever ratchet not only because it should have one, it also strengthens the rather vulnerable ratchet moulding. The sides were braced with evergreen strip. Door handles were added using Slaters rod.

    20 thou plastikard was added to the floor where the w-irons butt up to the floor to make sure the irons sit square, but one needed an extra 10 thou.

    Painting should be quite easy as a result, plus any required weight can be bolted to the floor if needed.

    I have to say it's not easy setting up the axleboxes to make the wagon sit squarely on my engineers flatbed, so any thoughts on that would be appreciated. It is at least square and sits upright on its wheels.



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  20. 76043

    76043 Western Thunderer

    The PECO/Webster rebuild has started. In previous posts the wagon was broken back into its parts and paint stripped.

    This time I wanted to build a fitted version, so having already purchased the PECO conversion kit, found it to be basic at best. I built up the w-irons to my usual removable state finding the wheels sat quite square. Next, I realised the push rods are not right for a fitted wagon, so I reversed one side. Then I realised the DC3 brake gear is mostly missing and some parts in the wrong place, so after a lot of internet research have come up with this compromise using various parts from the scrap bin, including a DC1 ratchet, bashed into a DC3 type. The DC3 non-Haywood type is vaguely represented below, don't look too closely, there's plenty amiss...

    The w-irons have been built up a little to prepare them for the nickle silver tie bars.


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