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adrian

Flying Squad
It's obviously a coarse scale model, it may be better if you have the inclination, to restore it as such, strip the paint and give it a decent coat and move it on.
Col.
I'd have to agree with this sentiment. The apparent lack of pickups, wheel insulation and flangeless centre drivers I suspect it was probably stud contact as well.
 

Eastsidepilot

Western Thunderer
I'd have to agree with this sentiment. The apparent lack of pickups, wheel insulation and flangeless centre drivers I suspect it was probably stud contact as well.

Real old school stuff, but if Martin doesn't fancy the restoration then someone else into Coarse scale may use it for spares etc.
 

Martin Shaw

Western Thunderer
Col and Adrian have rightly identified its origins. Who made it originally I have no idea but it was part of my late friends collection. It may have been stud contact originally although there is no evidence to support that. Doug would have converted it to outside third pickup as his railway was electrified on that method and I suspect the Fairburn fictition stems from then as well. The pickups will have been removed by the owner prior to me as the first step in 2 railing, surprisingly it is the only one in the collection that hasn't had a set of replacement wheels procured. I think it went in to the currently too difficult pile, pending an assessment. I think to sell it as is would give little reward, even in the coarse scale fraternity, the rear bogie isn't part of the chassis but is attatched via a T piece that rotates in a slot in the bogie stretcher. The incomplete set of wheels also devalues it and the motor that came out is a big 3 pole Bonds affair that does potentially have a secondhand value. I think Simon has a way forward but much depends on what is underneath the paint which will have to be redone whatever further course I might take, worst case a blow with a rattle can should move it on if that is the ultimate choice. I spoke to my painter and decorator this morning and amongst other things he is bringing me a can of cellulose thinners next week. Of course if it's glued together and falls to bits then there is another conversation with myself. I don't think a quick and easy one here.
Regards
Martin
 

Martin Shaw

Western Thunderer
I was having a toodle around the internet last night and found a website for Specialist Auctions Ltd, who amongst other things have sales of model railways, and not bad stuff on offer either. They had a sale in 2018, one item was described as a Bonds Stanier 2-6-4T, stud contact, and numbered in the 3cyl range. It looked pretty much identical to mine and in the absence of any other contrary info I therefore think mine is a Bonds model, supported to an extent by it having a Bonds motor. I have ordered a chassis kit and wheels for it, and I may get around to it one day. If not it is at least sellable as a complete project.
Regards
Martin
 

Martin Shaw

Western Thunderer
As a result of a birthday and the kindness of my sister in law, a book has appeared,
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which is very helpful in deciding what to do with the model up thread. Since the turn of the year it has just been too cold for the workshop so I've been doing other things including some spectacular valve monoblocks which in moving I managed to rick my back.

I have identified the principal visible variations which are,
2500-07 had straight sided bunkers, the tapering type on the rest,
2524 - 36 had the later cab roof cutout and the short cab doors from new.
This means the model as a start is of 2508 - 2523.

2505 and 2513 were fitted with domed boilers in 1937, and subsequently 2523 in 1943. This has major implications for the model in that it can't be 2505 because of the bunker and the casing over the top feed clacks on 2523 was a considerably more bulky effort, so 2513, a Shoeburyness engine for virtually all it's post war service, it has to be. The model also has the small step on the bunker shoulder which was made full length in the early 50s and the tank vents are not there but they disappeared very soon after the war. A rear buffer which I have needs refixed and a new front step replacement. There is also something odd in respect of the footplate in front of the smokebox. The model has the piano lid arrangement which is correct for the 2 cyl variant and also the Fairburn tanks, on the 3 cyl jobs the plate work follows the shape of the running plate outside the frames. Given that I believe the origin is Bonds I wonder whether you could have either version but a corner or two was cut to keep costs down? The model is I think possibly prewar, if so only just, but it is I feel intended to represent a late LMS engine so I wondered if there were any original livery elements remaining under the paint. I took a bit of fine wet & dry to a cabside,
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which revealed nothing much at all. No sign of either crimson lake or undercoat, or any sign of an original number. What did appear is tinplate with brass beading which handily points it in the same direction the Fowler tank Warren is repainting. I don't suppose for one moment that mine has any connection with Mr Beeson, it's just not good enough in my opinion, however stranger things have happened. I am not going to strip the paint at the moment, it's protecting the platework well enough, and the weather will need to be considerably warmer to think of painting. There a of course all the mechanical bits to consider as well. Anyway some useful effort.
Kind regards
Martin
 
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