7mm 7mm Mick's Workbench - LNER A2/3 60514 Chamossaire
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7mmMick
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Cheers JB, that makes sense now. I was always taught just to have it cracked at all times. It was always difficult to measure how effective it was until one day a man who will remain nameless got carried away firing and ended up letting go of the shovel. It didn't go straight into the fire but instead landed on the throat plate and sat there a second, when he lunged to retrieve it the effect of the blower being on sucked it into the firebox.......... Gone forever, a lesson learned !!
Oh yes pal, it will be grotty in there. Maybe some ash build up as well as if the loco has been at work already,
ATB Mick
7mmMick
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Cracking photos of the smokebox Mick, who's the pro cameraman
Forgot to mention the quality camera work
Nearly as good as your painting pal
7mmMick
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Ok, so there's good news and bad news !! Bad news is that I've managed to shaft my back whilst doing house renovation. The good news is that today, after four laid on my back on the lounge floor, my back is good enough to be up and about. And when I say up and about I mean to get me to the bench......
So I thought I would do something that was different and that would see relatively quick results, as that way it may cheer me up a little.
I have been after a George Norton J25 for some time, for several reasons really but mainly because about twenty years ago this was first attempt at an etched brass kit in 4mm. Last Christmas I managed to pick up off eBay the aforementioned kit and at Telford I grabbed some Alan Harris wheels for a bargain. So now it's about time I made a start. The kit is a good basis, but dated. I have upgraded with LG castings and as he markets the Shedmaster J24, just about everything is available from the one source.
So before we start I promise I won't finish it anytime soon and I'll most probably drop back onto other locos when time permits, but a start I have made non the less. My chosen loco, picture copyright is my good mate Mick Nicholson;
An early fifties shot of 65693 on Shed, this is how I intend her to be finished. Things to note immediately, she is fitted with a Group Standard draw hook and screw coupling ( probably due to working the Fish Vans from the Docks to Outward Yards ) There are timer packers behind the buffers to account for this. The whistle gear is the later BR type, the tender is braked and has had plating fitted due to tank corrosion. Oh and the double 'XX' chalked on the buffer denotes the fire has been cleaned or she is ready for lighting or something like that? Mick can you clarify?
The build...
I made a start on the cab and built the detail up in the flat. All is soldered up with 188 solder as I don't want the bits dropping off when I fix the cab together. The spectacle plate has some big slots fitted, which seem oversize, probably due to the upscale from 4mm. I filled these with 0.7mm brass wire as they're not needed. There's also a slot for the early Ramsbottom safety valves-all filled.
I then cut out for the later whistle gear, there is a valve assembly which was a later BR fit to all these NER types, the red pen helps me mark out. Here's what I'm talking about below, you can also see the box on 65693 above;
I'used some 1mm angle for the window runners as the front window is permanently glazed and then there is a slider to allow the crew to look out the rear window. For this I chemically blackened the etched window frame, which is a nice detail on the etch. The left hand side has the frame in the forward position and you can see where I have cut out and filled the spectacle plate.
This is the LG Boiler Face plate, the fire hole door will be an opener....
So I thought I would do something that was different and that would see relatively quick results, as that way it may cheer me up a little.
I have been after a George Norton J25 for some time, for several reasons really but mainly because about twenty years ago this was first attempt at an etched brass kit in 4mm. Last Christmas I managed to pick up off eBay the aforementioned kit and at Telford I grabbed some Alan Harris wheels for a bargain. So now it's about time I made a start. The kit is a good basis, but dated. I have upgraded with LG castings and as he markets the Shedmaster J24, just about everything is available from the one source.
So before we start I promise I won't finish it anytime soon and I'll most probably drop back onto other locos when time permits, but a start I have made non the less. My chosen loco, picture copyright is my good mate Mick Nicholson;
An early fifties shot of 65693 on Shed, this is how I intend her to be finished. Things to note immediately, she is fitted with a Group Standard draw hook and screw coupling ( probably due to working the Fish Vans from the Docks to Outward Yards ) There are timer packers behind the buffers to account for this. The whistle gear is the later BR type, the tender is braked and has had plating fitted due to tank corrosion. Oh and the double 'XX' chalked on the buffer denotes the fire has been cleaned or she is ready for lighting or something like that? Mick can you clarify?
The build...
I made a start on the cab and built the detail up in the flat. All is soldered up with 188 solder as I don't want the bits dropping off when I fix the cab together. The spectacle plate has some big slots fitted, which seem oversize, probably due to the upscale from 4mm. I filled these with 0.7mm brass wire as they're not needed. There's also a slot for the early Ramsbottom safety valves-all filled.
I then cut out for the later whistle gear, there is a valve assembly which was a later BR fit to all these NER types, the red pen helps me mark out. Here's what I'm talking about below, you can also see the box on 65693 above;I'used some 1mm angle for the window runners as the front window is permanently glazed and then there is a slider to allow the crew to look out the rear window. For this I chemically blackened the etched window frame, which is a nice detail on the etch. The left hand side has the frame in the forward position and you can see where I have cut out and filled the spectacle plate.
This is the LG Boiler Face plate, the fire hole door will be an opener....
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7mmMick
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So I got the cab fitted to the footplate, first tacked on and checked for square and then fully soldered up with the micro flame;
Not perfect but it'll do
I had a go with some 1mm half round strip for the cab beading but it looked oversize and I reverted to the etched kit strips. And whilst the profile is not as nice as the strip at least it's the right size. Also the etched window frames are a little rough and this is a cruel close up. This approach, using the old kit and casting upgrade will be a compromise but the overall picture will be a good one I hope.
I've made a start on the front splasher/sandbox's as well, here's what you get;
For some reason the splasher top comes in a two thickness etch. If not careful this easily distorts when bending, guess how I know
Any way, the parts were bent and fitted and the sandbox lid was modified to represent the type needed. In addition a good while was spent with wet and dry of different grades to round the corners as per the prototype as without the whole thing just looks too sharp;
Progress on the main body;
Hopefully more to come tomorrow,
Mick
Not perfect but it'll do
I had a go with some 1mm half round strip for the cab beading but it looked oversize and I reverted to the etched kit strips. And whilst the profile is not as nice as the strip at least it's the right size. Also the etched window frames are a little rough and this is a cruel close up. This approach, using the old kit and casting upgrade will be a compromise but the overall picture will be a good one I hope. I've made a start on the front splasher/sandbox's as well, here's what you get;
For some reason the splasher top comes in a two thickness etch. If not careful this easily distorts when bending, guess how I know
Any way, the parts were bent and fitted and the sandbox lid was modified to represent the type needed. In addition a good while was spent with wet and dry of different grades to round the corners as per the prototype as without the whole thing just looks too sharp; Progress on the main body;
Hopefully more to come tomorrow,
Mick
Rob Pulham
Western Thunderer
Superb Mick,
You never know my Shedmaster 24 might see the light of day sometime
You never know my Shedmaster 24 might see the light of day sometime
john lewsey
Western Thunderer
I'm hooked already Mick it looks really nice
micknich2003
Western Thunderer
Mockoo, the shed is Dairycoates, c1955 several LMS tanks were shedded at Botanic, the engine had possibly gone to Dairycoates for a repair that could not be handled at Botanic.
7mmMick
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Thanks for the kind comments everyone
Mick, in one of Mick Nicholson's Hull books there's a really nice picture of 40061 stood at Paragon, the caption reads
"Shortly after transfer to Botanic Shed in October 1954 ex-LMS Fowler 2-6-4T 40061 is seen running into Paragon Station. The motor-fitted locomotive still carries it's 26F Lees (Oldham) shedplate"
The book also confirms that the following were allocated to Hull at one time or another; 40012,17,45,57,59,60,61
Am I right in thinking this is the same class as the one Richard is currently on with ?
Cheers Tony, I daren't make the model look too like the real thing. With a life time of rough shunts she looks very battered
ATB Mick
looking good
What shed is that in the earlier photo ? Because, it distinctly looks like that's a Fowler 2-6-2T in the background - 40060
Mick, in one of Mick Nicholson's Hull books there's a really nice picture of 40061 stood at Paragon, the caption reads
"Shortly after transfer to Botanic Shed in October 1954 ex-LMS Fowler 2-6-4T 40061 is seen running into Paragon Station. The motor-fitted locomotive still carries it's 26F Lees (Oldham) shedplate"
The book also confirms that the following were allocated to Hull at one time or another; 40012,17,45,57,59,60,61
Am I right in thinking this is the same class as the one Richard is currently on with ?
Cheers Tony, I daren't make the model look too like the real thing. With a life time of rough shunts she looks very battered
ATB Mick
Len Cattley
Western Thunderer
Yep
7mmMick
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Some progress today. I wanted to tackle the rear sand box/splashers in the cab and on the right is what the kit provides. The left hand assembly is a one part casting from LG, which comes attached to the splasher side;
You can see from these pictures that the splasher profile (the top two parts are the ends) is totally wrong. The splasher's are a simple box shape and the wooden seats sit above and are bolted to the cab side by brackets. A good representation in 4mm twenty years ago but not in 7mm now.
The top picture is of J21, 65033 following withdrawal with the timber floor removed and the bottom how she is now, totally stripped of cab fittings. Basically the same loco apart from driving wheel size as 65693. So after some chopping about this is how I have ended up today. Buffer beam, drag beam, valences and splasher's fitted. The boiler face plate is just sat in position, as are the cab roof and centre splashers. The boiler faceplate level is about the finished floor level. I need to make up a new floor from brass and then coat in timber veneer, there's also a couple of steps to make at the bottom of each splasher in the same way;
ATB Mick
You can see from these pictures that the splasher profile (the top two parts are the ends) is totally wrong. The splasher's are a simple box shape and the wooden seats sit above and are bolted to the cab side by brackets. A good representation in 4mm twenty years ago but not in 7mm now.
The top picture is of J21, 65033 following withdrawal with the timber floor removed and the bottom how she is now, totally stripped of cab fittings. Basically the same loco apart from driving wheel size as 65693. So after some chopping about this is how I have ended up today. Buffer beam, drag beam, valences and splasher's fitted. The boiler face plate is just sat in position, as are the cab roof and centre splashers. The boiler faceplate level is about the finished floor level. I need to make up a new floor from brass and then coat in timber veneer, there's also a couple of steps to make at the bottom of each splasher in the same way;
ATB Mick
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Puddlejumper
Western Thunderer
Looks really good, am following this with interest
mickoo
Western Thunderer
Mick and Mick, cheers, I didn't know they got so far East 
and yes it is the same as Richard is building.
Going back to your beading, maybe you should reconsider and add the real, use the trick Ozzy noted in my A3 thread, it works a treat and if you want smaller you just file more off, I left mine at about 1mm wide by 0.5mm high and even that is too small for the A3 and A4 classes which scale out at something like 1.6mm wide.
and yes it is the same as Richard is building.Going back to your beading, maybe you should reconsider
and add the real, use the trick Ozzy noted in my A3 thread, it works a treat and if you want smaller you just file more off, I left mine at about 1mm wide by 0.5mm high and even that is too small for the A3 and A4 classes which scale out at something like 1.6mm wide.
7mmMick
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7mmMick
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Mick and Mick, cheers, I didn't know they got so far East
Going back to your beading, maybe you should reconsider
Cheers Mick, I'm off to reread your thread and ponder