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Discussion in 'G3' started by Jon Nazareth, 14 March 2019.
More likely from the Craven era or contractor built.
I have two LBSCR Ballast wagons, the same as Arty, and I have decided to have a go at modifying them to represent earlier versions. The first thing was to fill the laser hinge detail and these pictures show them filled and sanded back. I should have taken a picture before the filler was applied but......
Early days yet.
What was the difference between these as made and what youre going for?
Ill keep an eye on your modifications as I have one coming soon.
Jon, I'm as interested as Trevor regarding the earlier version - have you a new drawing ?
I'm going to make them look something like No. 7796 on page 60 of Southern wagons Vol. Two. As above, the outside hinges are going to be moved inwards so that I can represent the pin that is bolted onto the inner face of the end. The actual hinges need to be changed to early LBSCR type. These were a sort of staple fitted to a steel plate that was bolted to the floor or to the solebar. The eye of the strap part of the hinge was fitted to this. If you think along these lines and look at the photograph hopefully you will see what I mean. The W irons will be changed as well. The ones used on the wagon in the photo had straight legs and no angled braces. Mike Williams has some of these for sale or at least he did until I ordered up 4 sets . The wagons shown on page 61 have different W irons with curved angle braces. These wagons have the curved end to the top plank. I'm not sure if the wagon on page 60 had a curve to the top plank but, that's how it will be shown. I don't have a drawing of this type but I have ordered a drawing of another ballast wagon dated 1851, I think, LBSCR, of which, I shall make two.
Keep us posted Jon, I will continue with my version of the ballast wagons on the remaining 3, to complete the rake of 8, but will add some "steel" capping along the top edges.
Here are a couple of pictures of the drawing that I was expecting. It is dated 1851 and different from 7796 in quite a few respects. I was hoping that it would have the same catch arrangements as 7796 but in fact, it is more like Mike Williams' MR open. Never mind, I'm planning to make a pair of these all the same and being early, the only identification would have been by the plate bolted to the sole bar well, that's how I'm going to represent them
Sometimes, I post things and only part of them appear or, as in this case, the pictures are sized differently so, here they are again.
Thats an interesting catch arrangement. Its more like a hinge door latch with its own locking pin. You might be able to find something suitable in the 1/24 doll house market.
Mike is sending me some next week.
Nearly this one Jon.
Interesting its got a pushrod acting brake, not a direct acting. I thought the former was a later invention.
That's a good picture, where did it come from? Those corner fittings are the same as my drawing but the drop down hinges aren't. They are the sort that have a sort of staple fitted to a plate that is fixed to the floor. The axle boxes are dated 1878 but they could be replacements or fitted from new. Early wagons had a square number plate with no lettering and, I think, Stroudley introduced the oval type but I'm not sure about the latter. Also, the plate doesn't quite fit on the sole bar. There are those out there with vastly more knowledge than I have re the LBSCR. All very interesting nevertheless.
Also interesting to see what would be the 'W' iron square bolt plates at different angles on the solebar.
It also looks like there is an outline of a plate originally bolted to the solebar to the above and right of the left wheel spring support.
It’s the same pic that’s in Southern Wagons pictorial Jon.
I like the “W” irons, which are more like coach type irons, be nice to get some etched or laser cut to suit some other early wagons.
If you have a flat scan drawing, I can draft it up in CAD. Then whoever wants can do what they wish with it.
Trevor, it would be great to have a sheet of etched brass/ laser cut steel with a selection of W irons/ironwork/ wagon plates etc, to suit some of the early wagons - the timber bits are easy, the possibilities are then endless.
Mike Williams already supplies the ‘W’ irons.
I was thinking about the early narrow type of W iron - don’t want to put Mike out of business
They are the narrow type. He made them up for some early LBSCR wagons that I built sometime ago.