Ally Pally - 15-16 Mar 25

Martin Shaw

Western Thunderer
There are quite a number of times when I consider that residing so far away from both London and Birmimgham is a significant advantage. I was at the SECC three weeks ago and even though it's on my doorstep I had lost interest by mid afternoon so I came home, my day out including travel, entrance and lunch cost me £30 which is fair enough, a day out at Ally Pally or the NEC would I expect be significantly more. Trips to Central Hall Westminster with my father over 60 years ago are a distant but most treasured memory.
 

PaulRhB

Active Member
Not the first show for me this year, already done Doncaster and Portsmouth and if I can get to Railex I will too. I have broad tastes so most shows offer something and two of the essentials in my diary are both one day tiny shows but a guarantee of fun and inspiration.
AP and the NEC have an advantage of pulling layouts down from ‘oop norf’ I otherwise rarely see. Also working over 50% of weekends limits my show attendances. Big shows nicely offer stuff I don’t see regularly and a lot in one weekend.
In the last two visits to AP one layout made the show for me, Wolfstatt and at the next one West End Drift, layouts at opposite ends of the size and subject spectrums but well presented, run and operators who were interesting to chat to.
I also usually go to all shows with a friend or two which splits the costs of parking and just makes for a long entertaining day out. Maybe that’s the secret, don’t make the show the only highlight of the day.
It’s going to take me 2 1/2 to 3 hours each way by trains and I have my eyes on a nice relax on the chairs just off the smaller hall.
 

Yorkshire Dave

Western Thunderer
When it comes to a national showpiece event, I fail to understand why we cannot organise a large show on the lines of Intermodellbau at Dortmund Messe bringing all modelling disciplines together, railway, radio control, aircraft, road vehicles and ships.
 

timbowales

Western Thunderer
When it comes to a national showpiece event, I fail to understand why we cannot organise a large show on the lines of Intermodellbau at Dortmund Messe bringing all modelling disciplines together, railway, radio control, aircraft, road vehicles and ships.
I thought one of the magazine publishers had?
 

Bigjohn

Western Thunderer
After my experiences with MRJ at central hall last century I would avoid any exhibition organised by a magazine, and this was pre “rucksack menace” era.
 

Hayfield1

Western Thunderer
Car parking charges were introduced at Ally Pally last year but fortunately they are not as eye-wateringly high as the NEC.

Vehicles entering and leaving the park are park are monitored by ANPR cameras so there's no escaping. The payment machines are located at the hall itself, outside and in the car park. They take card payments so you don't need a phone app. Just enter your reg number when you are heading home and it will tell you how much you owe.

Also, a reminder that Ally Pally is inside the ULEZ zone so best check if you own an older vehicle, particularly a diesel one, to see if it's compliant. This can be done at the TfL website.

I think car parking payment last year was voluntary or just starting, thank you for brining it up I will now try and remember to pay.
 

Hayfield1

Western Thunderer
When it comes to a national showpiece event, I fail to understand why we cannot organise a large show on the lines of Intermodellbau at Dortmund Messe bringing all modelling disciplines together, railway, radio control, aircraft, road vehicles and ships.

There was an event held at Wembley in the new year , but most railway related stuff was model engineering and or live steam
Think it went to Alley Pally but stopped during Covid and never restarted
 

PaulRhB

Active Member
When it comes to a national showpiece event, I fail to understand why we cannot organise a large show on the lines of Intermodellbau at Dortmund Messe bringing all modelling disciplines together, railway, radio control, aircraft, road vehicles and ships.
As TW says Hornby mag are in April at the NEC but it requires someone to commit to trying to do it on that scale and it’s a huge financial risk to take on the scale of the German show.
It’s pretty much established as an international trade show so I think it gets a lot of trade on that basis.
 

Terry

Western Thunderer
When it comes to a national showpiece event, I fail to understand why we cannot organise a large show on the lines of Intermodellbau at Dortmund Messe bringing all modelling disciplines together, railway, radio control, aircraft, road vehicles and ships.
There used to be such an event at Brighton every year. It even had full-sized Daleks moving around the exhibition. Sadly no more.

Terry
 

Stephen

Western Thunderer
There used to be such an event at Brighton every year. It even had full-sized Daleks moving around the exhibition. Sadly no more.

Terry
Brighton Model World was always a good show, especially in the early 90’s when you could go into the top level bar area and had a brilliant view of the Old West Pier, which at that stage hasn’t suffered any fire damage….

Cheers,

Stephen
 

Stephen

Western Thunderer
There was an event held at Wembley in the new year , but most railway related stuff was model engineering and or live steam
Think it went to Alley Pally but stopped during Covid and never restarted
Back in the early 80’s there was a regular Model Engineering exhibition in the New Year held at the Wembley Conference Centre, remember going to that a few time with the old man.

As you say the show was reintroduced a few years ago at Ally Palley, again around the same time of year, but then disappeared from the calendar due to COVID.

Cheers,

Stephen
 

Stephen Freeman

Western Thunderer
My knee these days makes me less likely to attend a model railway show, indeed I have not been to one in years.
Model Engineering Show at Wembley Conference Centre was one I did go to many years ago (late 1980s), the local clubs joined together for the day out and we went by coach. Most enjoyable but with a rather large degree of wallet pain. The show transferred to Ally Pally, not on the same scale it has to be said. I think the exhibition centre had become unavailable.

The decline of Model Engineering in the UK had a lot to do with it as did the demise of the Magazine. There was another show organised, ostensibly to take the place by another Magazine, which I went to a couple of times, that was in the Midlands, I don't think that is still going either.

All a shame but reflects the current state of things in the UK.
 

AndyB

Western Thunderer
The decline of Model Engineering in the UK had a lot to do with it as did the demise of the Magazine. There was another show organised, ostensibly to take the place by another Magazine, which I went to a couple of times, that was in the Midlands, I don't think that is still going either.
A bit of an over-simplification in my opinion.
The demise of magazines in all genres is down to rising production costs and that they are not the only medium any more - as has been said on this forum many times, there is so much great content on web-sites and forums (fora?), discussion groups, etc. these days that has largely replaced magazine content. I personally still enjoy printed content more for my core interests (e.g. line Society journal and G3 Society newsletter) but the national mags have had little appeal for quite a while now (model railways and model engineering). I wouldn't be surprised if advertisement income for the national mags is also reduced as most traders have a high reliance on their own web presence, and magazine advertising doesn't show any benefit.

The Midlands Model Engineering Exhibition is still going strong. As I recall, it started as a more northern alternative to the London-centric MEE (Wembley, Central Hall, etc). and was variously held in Birmingham, Stoneleigh etc before TEE publishing / Meridienne Exhibitions got their own premises at The Fosse. Rising costs have been a key challenge for Model Engineering exhibitions too. Before the internet, the only way to sell machine tools was to lug a few tons of them around the country and the shows were full of shiny new machines and a good range of used too - so people came with wallets full of cash as it was the only opportunity to 'shop around'. All that = healthy stand fee income for the organisers and traders making a profit. The traders can no longer make a profit doing that, as they sell much more through other means and it is disruptive to normal operations, stock control, etc.. The knock-on effect to the exhibition organisers is obvious.
 

Stephen Freeman

Western Thunderer
A bit of an over-simplification in my opinion.
The demise of magazines in all genres is down to rising production costs and that they are not the only medium any more - as has been said on this forum many times, there is so much great content on web-sites and forums (fora?), discussion groups, etc. these days that has largely replaced magazine content. I personally still enjoy printed content more for my core interests (e.g. line Society journal and G3 Society newsletter) but the national mags have had little appeal for quite a while now (model railways and model engineering). I wouldn't be surprised if advertisement income for the national mags is also reduced as most traders have a high reliance on their own web presence, and magazine advertising doesn't show any benefit.

The Midlands Model Engineering Exhibition is still going strong. As I recall, it started as a more northern alternative to the London-centric MEE (Wembley, Central Hall, etc). and was variously held in Birmingham, Stoneleigh etc before TEE publishing / Meridienne Exhibitions got their own premises at The Fosse. Rising costs have been a key challenge for Model Engineering exhibitions too. Before the internet, the only way to sell machine tools was to lug a few tons of them around the country and the shows were full of shiny new machines and a good range of used too - so people came with wallets full of cash as it was the only opportunity to 'shop around'. All that = healthy stand fee income for the organisers and traders making a profit. The traders can no longer make a profit doing that, as they sell much more through other means and it is disruptive to normal operations, stock control, etc.. The knock-on effect to the exhibition organisers is obvious.
Magazine advertising is expensive and not very cost-effective for the small trader, come to that so is having a stand at a show, much more cost effective to have a website etc. I think that most traders do the shows is because they enjoy the experience not just interaction with the public but with their fellow traders etc and what happens after shows not from monetary gain, some of the best projects I had in the past have from come from orders some time after the show.

Life has got so much more busy (and expensive for clubs especially), perhaps less true for Engineering as a lot utilise the outdoors where it can be seen as an attraction.
 

simond

Western Thunderer
Enjoyed the show today, there were some really lovely layouts to see.

Happily, I caught up with Robin @Boyblunder and his pal, Simon, and had a few words with Tim @Tim Watson . Arun @Arun Sharma was deep in discussion when I passed.

The show was noticably busier than last year - really lots of folks there, hopefully that’ll help secure it for years to come, but of course it made viewing the layouts more difficult/time consuming. Hanging around usually, eventually, led to a decent view. CF was five deep, but I’d seen it at the MRC last autumn, so I passed on by…

Predictably the vast majority of the traders seemed to be strongly aimed at the smaller scales, mainly 00, I guess a reflection of the typical demographic. I actually didn’t buy anything at all…
 

jcm@gwr

Western Thunderer
I had an enjoyable, but tiring, day helping to run Books Bridge for Stuart Marshall, our treasurer,
but I did manage a brief chat with Arun (good to see you again) and met up with a few old (as well
as more recent) acquaintances.
 
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Boyblunder

Western Thunderer
I really enjoyed Ally Pally yesterday and as SimonD has already mentioned it was good to meet him for a few minutes after all these years. It was very busy and I couldn't get a decent phone signal so we met thanks to his pink shirt, well done SimonD. Copenhagen Fields was the highlight for me although I didn't dare ask Tim Watson for the previously offered look behind the scenes early in the day while he was dealing with a reluctant tram and some derailments. As SimonD mentions the crowd was 5 deep later so we were just happy we had a clear view earlier in the day.

Friend SimonB who came with me is my flying instructor (he is very brave) and although primarily a G Scale modeller he was enthralled by Copenhagen Fields. There were so many good layouts but on the drive home (no trains running through Chelmsford on the Great Eastern main line again) we agreed after CF we enjoyed watching Brooks Bridge and Fen End Pit the most. Well done to everyone involved, a great day out.
 

Hayfield1

Western Thunderer
A big thank you to both the organizers of the show and the stewards and I guess a big thanks for those working on their layouts and those demonstrating their building skills

A good range of interesting layouts across all the popular scales/gauges. Also a good representation from the trade, looked like less traders but a blessing as there was a lot more and larger rest areas.

One disappointment is the absence of specialist traders especially in the kit building discipline with only Squires in attendance.

Parking in the end was (for me) very easy to pay for, but the Alley Paley staff (not the show organizers/stewards) in the building entrance were totally unaware of the parking arrangements for payment.

Yet again a super if busy show.
 
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