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Jordan

Mid-Western Thunderer
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After all, there are many more "Knights of the Road".... just ask Jordan ;) .
I dunno... more like Monty Python's "Silly Eengleesh Ker-Niggets" probably.....

Welcome aboard Pete - the Dark Side Infiltration continues...!!! :D If anyone starts on about Blue locos, they can usually be placated (or fooled) by pics of CSX locos in YN2 livery....;)
 

Dog Star

Western Thunderer
Welcome aboard Pete - the Dark Side Infiltration continues....

Jordan, please help me to understand this world of non-Western / non-Hyrdaulic / non-Chromatic things. What makes something (over here) qualify for the Dark Side? If the simple answer is "American" - and I doubt that life is that simple - then would the same model be part of the Dark Side for a WTer who lives over t'other side of the big puddle?

And how does a WTer living in NY talk about a BR Blue diseasel? Do they have a dark side?
 
Thanks to all my friends, Daft-Ada here....

Well, let's see - I'm an Englishman living in Gotham City who modelled USA stuff in England in the '70's. Since living here I've been studying BR in b Scotland, East Anglia and the South West along with the BNSF US South West and NS in the US North East!

People that move to the Dark Side really like to make life difficult for themselves!

Thanks for all the "hellos".

Best, Pete.
 

Jordan

Mid-Western Thunderer
Jordan, please help me to understand this world of non-Western / non-Hyrdaulic / non-Chromatic things. What makes something (over here) qualify for the Dark Side? If the simple answer is "American" - and I doubt that life is that simple ......
The short answer is that way back when most UK mainstream modellers thought Lima diesels were the last word in realism, some of us who remained less than impressed were introduced, through various means, to American model trains, which had all-axle, flywheel drives, magnetic couplers, quite fine wheel flanges (well anything looks fine next to old Lima wheels!!), and were very much cheaper than UK stuff for much higher quality. Magazines such as "Model Trains" by Chris Ellis also blew the lid off the usual American "myths" - that all trains were miles long with 5 locos up front, that you need a basement to do a US layout, etc, and also introduced us to the US "Short Line" concept - smaller, independent Railroad Companies, something that we simply have nothing like in the UK, even in this Privatised Era when it would be much easier than under BR.
Such smooth running on RTR stuff, along with 'hands free' uncoupling simply mystified some dyed-in-the-wool "If it isn't British I don't want to know" modellers - I saw it for myself firsthand at Exhibitions - I once saw a group of 'older' punters utterly amazed when the US loco in front of them uncoupled (over a hidden magnet) "all by itself", then pushed the train into a siding and left it there. They had absolutely no idea how it was done.
Such good qualities seemed to be some kind of Dark Art to many, but the term Dark Side has only relatively recently come into general use, fueled by increasing popularity of Internet Forums, I think! These days "Dark Side" might be more widely used - it can be about DCC for example, and on this Forum, it refers to almost anything beyond what you list - non-Western, non-Hydraulic...:D
Nowadays UK outline has caught up in terms of quality drives, and 'kadees' are more common, and also the price gap has closed up, so there isn't likely to ever again be a 'mass conversion' to US outline based solely on the quality of the models available.

The long answer is.... well just read this back slower.....:rolleyes: :D
 

Dog Star

Western Thunderer
The short answer is....
The long answer is.... well just read this back slower....

Just love your sense of humour, I often wonder if George Bernard Shaw is one of your ancestors giving the manner in which you use Our English to achieve a subtle emphasis.

So we have "The Dark Side".... what do those over the pond have... (other than Friends and similar)?
 

Jordan

Mid-Western Thunderer
Just love your sense of humour, I often wonder if George Bernard Shaw is one of your ancestors ....
Doubtful... probably just the bad influence of Mr Spike Maligna, the well known typing error....:D
 
I think that the running qualities have generally caught up but take a look at June 2012's MR. The Athearn SD40 (I think - it was just an advert) and MR's review of the "new" GP7. The detail and quality (look at the "3d" bogies/trucks) x the Retail Price is simply STILL outstanding.

Best, Pete.
 
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