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Phill Dyson
Western Thunderer
Heljan to do Class 31...
As has been said, the 31 has been on the cards for quite a while now..........personally I would rather have had a Class 25 :scratch:.........or a 22,42 or 52 of course ;D
As has been said, the 31 has been on the cards for quite a while now..........personally I would rather have had a Class 25 :scratch:.........or a 22,42 or 52 of course ;D
Eastsidepilot
Western Thunderer
Heljan to do Class 31...
Steady on lad your going a funny Blue-Green colour, must be the diesel fumes.
... being an Eastern Region lad myself ( Essex actually) I used to see these quite regularly, how about these two then, courtesy of Modellers Backtrack. 
ATB, Col
Jordan said:" ..... oh heck I'm going all Eastern Region..... NURSE...!!!!"
Steady on lad your going a funny Blue-Green colour, must be the diesel fumes.
... being an Eastern Region lad myself ( Essex actually) I used to see these quite regularly, how about these two then, courtesy of Modellers Backtrack. ATB, Col
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ceejaydee
Western Thunderer
Heljan to do Class 31...
A 25 would be too tempting and would crumble my defences but I'll probably be able to resist the 31.
Acquisition of Heljan diesel would also mean that I'd have to upgrade my Dynamis to something more powerful to run those beasties as I'd want sound too - more expense! :
A 25 would be too tempting and would crumble my defences but I'll probably be able to resist the 31.
Acquisition of Heljan diesel would also mean that I'd have to upgrade my Dynamis to something more powerful to run those beasties as I'd want sound too - more expense! :
Phill Dyson
Western Thunderer
Heljan to do Class 31...
The western has had a few 31's since the early 1970's, the first ones were brought in as replacements for the class 22's I think ?
Phill :wave:
Jordan said:
The western has had a few 31's since the early 1970's, the first ones were brought in as replacements for the class 22's I think ?
Phill :wave:
Pennine MC
Western Thunderer
Heljan to do Class 31...
The handful that were brought in as Paddington pilots replaced 22s, those ones actually go back as far as 1969. Later ones arrived in some numbers from late '71 as part of the general programme of replacing hydraulics, but were seen more as Hymek replacements (which they mostly weren't) ;D
Phill Dyson said:
The handful that were brought in as Paddington pilots replaced 22s, those ones actually go back as far as 1969. Later ones arrived in some numbers from late '71 as part of the general programme of replacing hydraulics, but were seen more as Hymek replacements (which they mostly weren't) ;D
iploffy
OC Blue Brigade
Heljan to do Class 31...
Although Class 31's aint my cup of tea (they are incomplete loco's 2 traction motors missing) and had a reputation to match (right donkeys) they will always have a place on the layout. I might get a model that has no motor in it and drag it round with my Class 25's just to get the right atmosphere as it's absolutely prototypical as they had a habit of self combustion. The thing that makes it stick in my throat is that they where seen as a better option than the 25's !!!!!!!!!
Ian
Although Class 31's aint my cup of tea (they are incomplete loco's 2 traction motors missing) and had a reputation to match (right donkeys) they will always have a place on the layout. I might get a model that has no motor in it and drag it round with my Class 25's just to get the right atmosphere as it's absolutely prototypical as they had a habit of self combustion. The thing that makes it stick in my throat is that they where seen as a better option than the 25's !!!!!!!!!
Ian
Phill Dyson
Western Thunderer
Heljan to do Class 31...
The list price for the Deltic is £599.99 but most people will be paying a lot less than that with the usual discounts.....Hymeks are around £299 new
CME & Bottlewasher said:As you guys say they make nice layout models....yet the prototype mmm :scratch:
There are one or two traders on t'internet who are mentioning that the price for a Heljan 31 could be the £600.00 mark, if that is the case, that puts a different spin on things for me....
CME :wave:
The list price for the Deltic is £599.99 but most people will be paying a lot less than that with the usual discounts.....Hymeks are around £299 new
S
Simon Dunkley
Guest
Heljan to do Class 31...
Plus, the 25s had blue asbestos, I think - and the traction motors were not really up to it, and many locos ran on 3 traction motors.
Better adhesion, sure, but poorer reliability.
What BR really should have done was to have ordered about 500 BRCW type 3s, and forgotten about type 2's completely...
(They could have solved the steam heat problem by fitting small steam-heat boilers into a corner of the luggage compartment on brake coaches.)
Whilst I quite agree, the 31s, being re-engined with de-rated 12 CSVT engines had (have) good reliability on the prime mover.iploffy said:
Plus, the 25s had blue asbestos, I think - and the traction motors were not really up to it, and many locos ran on 3 traction motors.
Better adhesion, sure, but poorer reliability.
What BR really should have done was to have ordered about 500 BRCW type 3s, and forgotten about type 2's completely...
(They could have solved the steam heat problem by fitting small steam-heat boilers into a corner of the luggage compartment on brake coaches.)
Phill Dyson
Western Thunderer
Heljan to do Class 31...
...........very underrated & capable machines IMO 8) 8) 8)
Oh & BTW they are not fugley in GFYE :.........they are of course beautiful in all liverys ;D 
I think the original plan was for 500 Hymeks28ten said:
...........very underrated & capable machines IMO 8) 8) 8) Oh & BTW they are not fugley in GFYE :
.........they are of course beautiful in all liverys ;D
Phill Dyson
Western Thunderer
Heljan to do Class 31...
No I must admit that looked pretty awful ??? ..........mind you I'm not a big fan of phony names & livery's on preserved stuff anyway :scratch:
Phill :wave:
Jordan said:
No I must admit that looked pretty awful
??? ..........mind you I'm not a big fan of phony names & livery's on preserved stuff anyway :scratch:Phill :wave:
ant31117
Western Thunderer
Heljan to do Class 31...
I agree. I always found 'secondary' passenger workings somehow more interesting than express stuff. Plus from a modelling point of view, my layout can't accommodate 12 coach expresses!
I also had many trips behind 31s on 'Table 18' workings out of New St, happy memories.
No need to defect to the ER! Several of the Western Region based 31s had white stripes too - for example 412 to 416 all had them. If you don't fancy an ETH fitted loco, 31304 also had stripes. I'm planning to finish my future Heljan 31 as 31413 in the condition I remember it during its Old Oak Common period circa 1982, complete with white stripes and oversize numbers...
I agree. I always found 'secondary' passenger workings somehow more interesting than express stuff. Plus from a modelling point of view, my layout can't accommodate 12 coach expresses!
I also had many trips behind 31s on 'Table 18' workings out of New St, happy memories.
No need to defect to the ER!
Several of the Western Region based 31s had white stripes too - for example 412 to 416 all had them. If you don't fancy an ETH fitted loco, 31304 also had stripes. I'm planning to finish my future Heljan 31 as 31413 in the condition I remember it during its Old Oak Common period circa 1982, complete with white stripes and oversize numbers...
ant31117
Western Thunderer
Heljan to do Class 31...
No, they had all been BR / OC machines for several years. I've just been googling it and found this... http://www.flickr.com/groups/1424243@N2 ... 768654992/
It says "31411 & 31412 appear to have been the first two 31/4s given a white stripe at FP and OC respectively in May 1978" so it seems to have been a simultaneous thang between the ER and WR.
The handful of 45s and 37s also given white stripes around the same time looked good too, bearing in mind that everything that moved in those days was painted blue.... (bliss!!)
No, they had all been BR / OC machines for several years. I've just been googling it and found this... http://www.flickr.com/groups/1424243@N2 ... 768654992/
It says "31411 & 31412 appear to have been the first two 31/4s given a white stripe at FP and OC respectively in May 1978" so it seems to have been a simultaneous thang between the ER and WR.
The handful of 45s and 37s also given white stripes around the same time looked good too, bearing in mind that everything that moved in those days was painted blue.... (bliss!!)
westernfan
Western Thunderer
Heljan to do Class 31...
both classes 25 and 31 were used to replace the d63xx warships on the north devon clay and milk trains :wave:
Phill Dyson said:
both classes 25 and 31 were used to replace the d63xx warships on the north devon clay and milk trains :wave:
Ressaldar
Western Thunderer
Heljan to do Class 31...
just spotted this on another place.....................................
http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index. ... msearch__1
get the credit cards ready
cheers
Mike
just spotted this on another place.....................................
http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index. ... msearch__1
get the credit cards ready
cheers
Mike
TheSnapper
Western Thunderer
Heljan to do Class 31...
Gotta have one of those, in GREEN of course.......(ducks behind parapet)....
Tim
Gotta have one of those, in GREEN of course.......(ducks behind parapet)....
Tim
Phill Dyson
Western Thunderer
Heljan to do Class 31...
That's what I like to see Richard.......a total lack of self control ;D .
I don't intend getting one either, but I do find myself strangley drawn to a couple of pics of erm Green ones ;D in Ivo Peters book 'Railway Elegence' .......... Maybe Chief Inspector Iploffy of the boys in Blue might give me special dispensation as they do have FYE & double arrows
Phill :wave:
Dikitriki said:
That's what I like to see Richard.......a total lack of self control ;D
. I don't intend getting one either, but I do find myself strangley drawn to a couple of pics of erm Green ones ;D in Ivo Peters book 'Railway Elegence' .......... Maybe Chief Inspector Iploffy of the boys in Blue might give me special dispensation as they do have FYE & double arrows
Phill :wave: