Prototype Tim Mills' Photos

[AJC]

We used to have that on the Ffestiniog, then we added the Welsh Highland and from Porthmadog it became up both ways… . We now quote Blaenau direction and Caernarfon direction.

Nigel

Plymouth North Road and Exeter St David’s seemed to manage with up and down in both directions - indeed, the latter still does!

Adam

 

[Arun Sharma]

Plymouth North Road and Exeter St David’s seemed to manage with up and down in both directions - indeed, the latter still does!

Adam

As indeed does Weybridge to this day, with Waterloo-bound trains departing in opposite directions.

 

[oldravendale]

I'm back from my brief sojourn in the Lake District (and very lovely it was too). Having caught up with emails and other messages, garden etc I'm now able to concentrate on the important stuff - ie WT! Please forgive me for not thanking individually all the contributors to the information about the photo of 48063. However the key was Dave @Genghis and then Dave @Yorkshire Dave who has nailed the location. The photo was probably taken on the occasion when 7029 was recorded at Coton Hill in March 1967 as seen in post #5657 and in post #5694 when there's an unidentified Black 5.

An unidentified Black 5 or 8F on freight. I believe this to be the Ribblehead Viaduct on the Settle & Carlisle. Once again it’s dated to the mid 1960s. Edit: Confirmed as Ribblehead by @Yorkshire Dave.



Black 5 44878, possibly on Shap or could be the S & C. Another in the mid 1960s. The SLS give only one allocation for the loco and that’s Lostock Hall from December 1967/January 1968 where it was withdrawn in June/July 1968. However going back through Locoshed Books it’s shown as allocated to Carlisle Kingmoor from at least April 1957 to May 1964 and BR Database have a “snapshot” allocation of Carlisle Kingmoor on 1st January 1948. After withdrawal from Lostock Hall it went to Cohen’s, Kettering (BR Database) where it was photographed being cut up on 1st March 1969 (WHTS). BR Database proposes a scrapping month of February 1968 and that’s close enough for Government work. Edit: Confirmed as Ribblehead by @Yorkshire Dave



Jubilee 45593 Kolhapur on the Thames-Clyde Express and believed to be at Ribblehead on the Settle and Carlisle. Again this is the mid 1960s. In November/December 1963 it was allocated to Burton, Patricroft in September/October 1964, Newton Heath in December 1964/January 1965 and Holbeck in April 1965 where it was withdrawn on 15th October 1967. (SLS). For some strange reason BR Database report a scrapping month of August 1963! However, on 9th September 1967 the SLS reported the loco as “still active”. Further information about the loco in preservation can be found here:
45593 Kolhapur (LMS 5593 & BR 45593) Edit: Confirmed as Ribblehead by @Yorkshire Dave



Brian

 

[Yorkshire Dave]

An unidentified Black 5 or 8F on freight. I believe this to be the Ribblehead Viaduct on the Settle & Carlisle. Once again it’s dated to the mid 1960s.

All three are taken at Ribblehead.

 

[hrmspaul]

img615. 44878. Possibly Shap. Mid 1960s. copyright FINAL - Copy.jpg​

A rather nice very mixed parcels train with LMS 4 wheel CCT followed by SR BY - which had guard and brakes so no need for the brake van followed by a couple of the later LMS plywood sided vans and a BR GUV, BR CCT (I think) and BR GUV. My computer screen doesn't permit more detail of the following 5 vans and then what just might be a BR(ER) BZ (as recently RTR modelled by TMC). But a bit of a wild guess.

Paul

 

[oldravendale]

Thank you, Paul, @hrmspaul for that run down of the vehicles in the train behind 44878. In the hope that you may be able to identify more towards the back of the train I've clipped a section of the original unedited jpeg scan which is here. I truly hope it helps.



Brian

 

[hrmspaul]

Thank you, Paul, @hrmspaul for that run down of the vehicles in the train behind 44878. In the hope that you may be able to identify more towards the back of the train I've clipped a section of the original unedited jpeg scan which is here. I truly hope it helps.

View attachment 267694

Brian

Thanks
There appear to be three BR standard vans (although could be GWR, it was the ends which were significantly different one to another. Then an LMS van and a SR van - looks like the roof profile is curving over the side. And yes, that does look like a BZ, although whether the ones with a square end to the top light or curved I couldn't guess

I found it strange how little interest was taken in parcels stock back in the 50s and 60s. Even after the main wagon books of the later 1970s it was difficult to find out much about them, even the main number blocks. They were so varied, and some published schedules of trains showed incredible attaching and detaching of vans as a train progressed through the night going up/down the likes of the WCML. The most incredibly complex operation and now all gone. And of course that was one reason why it is possible to get ER, LMR, and SR stock all within a few vans of one another. Great for modellers, especially if the pre-Xmas traffic is being modelled when previously stored locos could get their last outings, as well as some ancient rolling stock - not least passenger carriages (the multi door ones) loaded with mail bags.

I expect someone else could tell us what the maximum speed of the 4 wheel vans was, and therefore what restriction there was on trains made up such as this.
The very best book for illustrating the range of stock is

Paul