Elmham Market in EM
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James Spooner
Western Thunderer
A visit to Paul at Alton Models today resulted in the purchase of some 4.8mm styrene tube (amongst other stocking up!). It was a choice of that or the same diameter brass bar and, as my workshop isn’t sufficiently well equipped I went down the styrene route. The photo I have clearly shows the tanks had flanges and there were also connecting gas pipes between them.
I cut three 20mm lengths off the pipe, added 20 thou ends, rolled the flanges from 5 thou plasticard and then mounted the three tanks on some gash plasticard. Strapping was 10 thou card and the pipes 0.33mm brass wire. It seems a lot of effort for something that doesn’t really show but I guess I will know they are there!
Queen posts and trusses tomorrow…
Nigel
I cut three 20mm lengths off the pipe, added 20 thou ends, rolled the flanges from 5 thou plasticard and then mounted the three tanks on some gash plasticard. Strapping was 10 thou card and the pipes 0.33mm brass wire. It seems a lot of effort for something that doesn’t really show but I guess I will know they are there!
Queen posts and trusses tomorrow…
Nigel
Tim Watson
Western Thunderer
The little GE restaurant car really does remind me of the old shortie Hornby Dublo version I had as youngster. Very characterful little carriage.
Tim
Tim
James Spooner
Western Thunderer
Yes, they are rather reminiscent of the old Dublo tinplates. Even more reminiscent are the Gresley 52’6” corridor coaches designed for the GE section (one of which you can see attached to the restaurant car in post #931).
Nigel
James Spooner
Western Thunderer
Many thanks Dave and you are quite correct, I think the ends were slightly inwardly dished. I suspect that, if I had a lathe, I might have been turning inward dishes into 5mm brass rod, but I hope the overall effect is still satisfactory.Looks to do the job very nicely, Nigel. In reallity, the tanks probably had inwardly dished ends but you rendition captures the look, especially where they are.
Thought you might be in Snowdonia with a pick and shovel rather than modelling.
Dave.
I was due to drive up to Wales tomorrow for a working weekend but have canned it partly because of flu amongst a number of the working group and partly because of Storm Goretti. I think we’ll be OK in the south east and it’s possible the Welsh coast will be snow free but the bit in the middle is due for a foot deep dump so overall we decided discretion is the better part of valour!
Nigel
James Spooner
Western Thunderer
The final elements of the underframe were added yesterday. The process was protracted as I lost one of the queen post castings to the great God Carpet (I lost two actually but managed to recover one after much searching) so, after a half fruitless search, I had to dig out some styrene rod and turn it up in the dremel with a file. I also added the steam heat and vacuum pipes to the side of the solebars and have now given it a coat of primer.
Nigel
Nigel
James Spooner
Western Thunderer
It’s been a bit quiet recently for a variety of reasons. Last weekend I was supposed to be in Wales to do some lineside clearance but Storm Goretti got in the way. Instead my eldest son and I did some videoing of Elmham Market which, if he ever properly edits the footage, will appear on here at some point. I then had a dinner in town during the week and some catching up to do so it wasn’t until today that I managed to get some space to dig out the airbrush and do some painting. The third dining car underframe has now been coated in dirty black and sprung buffers added. The pigeon car has also had some paint added whilst I had the airbrush out and is looking a lot better for it.
Nigel
Nigel
robertm
Western Thunderer
I have a real liking for npcs and D120s are top of the tree. Nice model.
Attached are a couple of mine, since completed. At left is a brass Wagon and Carriage offering, at right a plastic model from Ian Kirk.
Still trying to justify a Restaurant Car on a country branch line!
Attached are a couple of mine, since completed. At left is a brass Wagon and Carriage offering, at right a plastic model from Ian Kirk.
Still trying to justify a Restaurant Car on a country branch line!
James Spooner
Western Thunderer
I thought I would get as far advanced as I could on the restaurant third so body assembly can proceed when I take delivery of the etched sides from @Herb Garden. With that in mind I have cut the etched ends out (on the D&S kits they come in two layers with half etched steps formed in the backing etch and then poking through slots in the outer etch) and run them through the curling tongs to form the turn under. I think I’ll leave them unsoldered until I receive the side etches so I still have some flexibility and ability to match to the sides.
While I had the curling tongs out I decided to form the curve on the sides for the second half of the Wickham DMU. I have now soldered the back ends and glued the front ends. There are two C10 roofs winging their way from Wizard Models so I should be able to fit them and add the side detailing when I next pick this project up.
Nigel
While I had the curling tongs out I decided to form the curve on the sides for the second half of the Wickham DMU. I have now soldered the back ends and glued the front ends. There are two C10 roofs winging their way from Wizard Models so I should be able to fit them and add the side detailing when I next pick this project up.
Nigel
James Spooner
Western Thunderer
Well Wizard were very prompt in packing and sending the two roofs such that they arrived through the letterbox this morning. I have trimmed one down and fettled the driving end to more closely match the 3d print (I think I’ll detail then prime before seeing how much more to remove or fill on the joint). I have glued one carriage together and am now waiting for the glue to set…
Nigel
Nigel
James Spooner
Western Thunderer
Ploughing on with this, I have now trimmed and fitted/glued in the second roof. Now for the body detailing.
Nigel
Nigel
Bulldog3444
Active Member
Nigel
What adhesive have you used to glue the roof into place?
With these alloy roof sections I have been unsure whether it is better to glue them or to drill and fix a long bolt which passes through the floor and enables the roof to be retained by a nut.
I guess that in this case, with the need to blend the roof section with the end domes, you had no choice but to glue.
Ian
James Spooner
Western Thunderer
Ian,
Yes, I took the view that glue was the only real option and have been using Barrie Stevenson’s medium cyanoacrylate. I have been fortunate as both the 3D print and the alloy roof extrusion had quite decent sized tabs, which give the glue a good surface to grip to. Where I had a brass on brass joint (essentially just the inner end to side joints) I soldered, to give a bit of extra strength and rigidity.
Nigel
James Spooner
Western Thunderer
A painstaking evening detailing the Wickham set. Both carriages now have ribbing on the roofs and one of the four sides now has door handles, hinges and grab handles (although some photos show an extra lower handrail to the side of the driver’s door, so that may need to be added). Photo attached.
Nigel
Nigel
James Spooner
Western Thunderer
Hi Rob,
Thanks for that, much appreciated. I have acquired some Bachmann Derby lightweight underframes and bogies from their spares service with a view to modifying them for this project. My thinking was that the lightweights and the Wickham both had the same body length, BUT power plant and standard bogies, but having taken delivery I think there will be more work needed than I had thought both in getting them to fit and in getting the details right. I suspect that with judicious use of saws and soldering iron I can come up with an acceptable outcome but I am still at the planning stage.
Nigel
Flaxfield
Western Thunderer
Hi Nigel,
That's a good practical solution though. The Bachmann power units have proven to be very reliable over the years.
If only the same could be said of one of my Heljan W&M railbuses which I have to say has defeated my attempts to obtain smooth running.
Rob
James Spooner
Western Thunderer
Hi Rob,
I think I must have been lucky as I have two Heljan items, a W&M rail bus and a BTH type 1 and they both work well, despite me converting them to EM gauge. I do agree on the Bachmann DMU power units. I have a Derby lightweight and a Cravens and they both work really well. On both I was lazy with the gauge conversion and just pushed the wheels out on the axles (in the way of the EM pioneers) and, despite the flanges not quite being to EM standards, they still happily roll through EM pointwork.
Nigel