Strictly LNER pre-1942, including pre-group. "Atlantic 3279" in exile.

Graeme King

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I should of course have above included a big public thank-you to those four helpers. Every one of them made sensible, useful observations on the layout and the operating plan, things that I hadn't managed to think about, perhaps because I was concentrating on plenty of other aspects of preparation. Thank you gents.
 

Mercator II

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I should of course have above included a big public thank-you to those four helpers. Every one of them made sensible, useful observations on the layout and the operating plan, things that I hadn't managed to think about, perhaps because I was concentrating on plenty of other aspects of preparation. Thank you gents.
A good time was had, thank you for the invite. Hopefully the servicing of everything goes smoothly prior to storage for transportation
 

Graeme King

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Just out of interest, & knowing very little about the LNER myself, why 1942 for a cut-off date?

Maybe because SNG died in April of the previous year?

It was the end of a 20 year mourning period after the end of the GN.
At least one of those reasons could be valid. The end of the Gresley era, the start of Thompson's, and the disappearance of the last of the green pre-war liveries greatly reduce the appeal for me - not that I have the slightest disrespect for the GNR of course Dave.
 

Graeme King

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No, I haven't deserted Western Thunder...

Although I haven’t made great strides forward on the workbench since the mid-April portable-layout operating practice sessions, I haven’t been idle. Layout, fittings and stock were put away bit by bit in the most logical/convenient order I could devise in order to have items in sensible groups ready for show set up next Friday. I added some more handy support loops under the layout in various places, so that several long detachable wiring runs and plugs would neither be left drooping down when fitted, nor (hopefully) be tangled by well-meaning attempts to thread them through the permanent spaghetti under the boards. All locos had wheels cleaned again, even if they looked clean, mechanisms re-lubricated, tightness of vital screws checked, and in several cases couplings changed before being packed away. Any that hadn’t performed adequately were either sorted out, or swapped for one that did perform as required.

While I already had a horse and cart that would serve as the local coalman’s, standing ready by the coal cells, and I found a potential coal merchant among a few reasonably suitable moulded plastic people I intended to paint on an old sprue, I felt the scene around the coal cells probably needed a bit more detail. I actually bought some Ratio OO coal sacks, scales and weights, but on opening the packet I decided the sacks were far too flat for full ones, and not flat enough for empties, although I may yet use the scales and weights. After perusing images of horse-drawn coal deliveries on-line, consulting a friend with equine interests, and reading various purported “facts” on the web about old coal sack sizes, I decided to add a detachable tail-board and part-load of sacks to the cart, making the sacks out of plasticine. Depending on what I choose to believe on-line, the sacks may or may not be an appropriate size and colour! I at least now have a basic scene with a coalman who has paused with his shovel, part way through bagging up and loading the cart. I’m told the horse deserves a nose bag too, and a bucket of drinking water hanging below the cart. I’ll see if I have time to add such details.
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I didn’t want to over-do the numbers of human figures in a quiet rural location. But I did select a man in fairly business-like apparel and a smartly dressed lady to pose as a couple waiting for train to Lincoln, A seated chap with bowler hat awaits the train to Louth.
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I’m not sure whether it really works to have the driver of the steam ploughing engine looking down towards the rest of the off-scene ploughing crew and balance plough, but I’ve put him in place anyway.IMG_20250501_200209.jpg



Mid-week I had a mild panic when I realised that I had completely omitted the goods yard loading gauge, despite it being highly visible by the cattle dock in one of the photographs I’d used when building that dock. On checking that photograph the means by which the arc of the gauge was suspended wasn’t particularly clear, but fortunately a friend was able to supply an additional photograph which helped to clarify things. I found I had a spare cast-resin, wire reinforced signal post that would serve as the upright support for the gauge, and the rest could be made up to a basic standard from thick plasticard and brass wire. Although I was able to estimate dimensions from the photographs, by comparison with the assumed GNR 13' 9" absolute maximum height, allowing me to produce a probably-to-scale sketch, I found that a "scale" model would not have allowed the adjacent hut to stand in the right place, so I presume my track layout and cattle dock width are "not quite right". I've therefore had to alter the proportions of the woodwork to suit the site, reducing the horizontal dimensions, which forces the diagonal brace to go a bit higher up than it rally should be, in order to clear the “correct” arc of the gauge. Thanks to one or two over-height loco/stock models, and the combination of track curvature with OO wheel-to-track slop, I've also had to raise the whole thing 2 to 3mm compared to my estimated "correct" height, in order to clear the eaves of loco cabs to ensure safe shunting. The main arm of the support is horizontal by the way, no matter what the image perspective may suggest!
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I wasn't too pleased to see that the newly received extra photograph also showed that there was once a cattle-dock lamp I've never seen before, and additional paling around the lower half of the cattle dock fences. Too late to add those features for Immingham next weekend!

Simultaneously with the coal merchant’s scene, the figure painting, and the loading gauge panic, I was trying to put together some text and maps to explain the (credible?) alternative history of my busy version of the Louth and Lincoln line, so that I could produce some information boards to display with the layout. I did consider producing as many as five boards, but time, enthusiasm and inspiration proved insufficient at this stage for more than one board…
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Graeme King

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A couple of the less formal images of the debut of my Thelnerby layout at last weekend's Immingham exhibition, to be going on with. I'll select some more later, when I've found out why the starter motor of my 1978 Vauxhall is now making horrible gear-gnashing noises and turning the engine too slowly to make it start, despite an ample supply of current enthusiastically drawn...

Firstly, just after carrying and wheeling items into the hall, with a version of the story of the pilgrim fathers on the wall behind.
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Somewhat later, some rolling stock going on after full testing with a couple of locos. Clive and Steve doing the honours at this stage.
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Graeme King

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Some further images of our weekend at Immingham show, courtesy of John Smart's camera work. I've reduced the sizes a little, to limit the demand on storage space

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I was also aware of a young man shooting ground-level video clips on his mobile phone. I wondered if they might appear on Youtube, but I haven't found anything yet.
 

Mercator II

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Ita was a great weekend, much fun had operating

Heres a couple shots I took

The N2 was a recent purchase about 30+ years old ran with out fault, testament to Graeme's track laying

B17/5 is built from kit on a modified Mainline B1 chassis

Both non prototypical for the line, but rule 1 applies!
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Graeme King

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I was sure I'd posted this on here weeks ago, but it wasn't evident when I looked a few minutes ago, so...

As there's a remote possibility that somebody might be wondering, I'd better just say that I haven't abandoned this forum, I've simply been a bit busy with other things, such as small technical "improvements" to the portable layout, it's stock arrangements, and it's operating arrangements, that were suggested by its first appearance at Immingham show. I'm also trying to catch up on a load of other non-modelling jobs that I've allowed to accumulate over the last three years, many of which need to be done in summer weather. A family member needs some assistance with a health problem for the time being too, I'm trying to keep up with regular exercise to maintain my own health, I've been away on holiday for ten days, and I'm otherwise trying to enjoy the summer while it is here. A higher level of modelling activity will probably resume later in the year, possibly with renewed enthusiasm...
 

Chas Levin

Western Thunderer
Same thing happened to me Graeme, and @Mike Trice kindly enlightened me that there'd been an outage (outtage? sp.? dreadful word, whichever way we spell it) and WT had reverted to an earlier version, losing some recent posts, so I pass this information along to you...
 

Chas Levin

Western Thunderer
Thanks Chas.

And guess what - I have new log-in trouble in LNERland, if you have a look...
Very sorry to hear that Graeme - you see what I mean though?!

Some types of internet filters and walls behave 'dynamically', i.e. they change what they exclude depending on daily rosters of 'suspect' companies and servers. Where for instance a route through another company's servers has been shown to be letting through a large amount of spam or other undesiarable traffic, that inbound route is clamped down on for a while. It sounds like there's something like that operating over there, if it's fine for a while and then blocks again.

The point is that all these types of things can be adjusted, to be made more or less 'strict' in what they block. I gather that the free versions of some of these systems allow less adjustment, but I'd respectfully suggest that if the free system currently in use over there is this troublesome and they don't want - or cannot - pay for a full version, something else should be used instead.

I know of no other forum with this issue, so it's clearly not unavoidable...
 

Graeme King

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A Summer spent mainly catching up on maintenance jobs outside of the model railway world that have been neglected while I was building the portable layout, plus some attention to family needs and some fresh air and exercise for me is now more or less concluded so I have time to report on some small modelling jobs I've also fitted in, the need for these having been highlighted by events at the Immingham show debut.

The set of twenty loaded Appleby Frodingham ironstone wagons had almost always run in one direction on the Grantham layout, pulled rather than propelled, wagons near the front mostly having three link couplings and those at the rear having some simple wire hooks on each end of each wagon. Like that, they behaved perfectly well. On "Thelnerby", at Immingham, we'd tried moves that involved having the wagons with interlocking hooks at the front (and therefore held tight by a greater drag from wagons behind) , and this had revealed that they didn't really allow the wagons to behave properly when negotiating curves. The three-link couplings on the other wagons were also a bit of a hindrance when trying to set up quickly, and not liked by some operators when it came to dividing or re-coupling. I've therefore equpped the wagons that previously had just the three link couplings with additional wire goalposts at each end, and I've altered the wire hooks on the other wagons so that most of them now couple/uncouple just by placing the wagon in the train or by lifting it out. The wagons are of course reversible, but the two kinds have to alternate within the train. I've also soldered a second dropper wire to each hook to act as a basic centre buffer or "pusher" element of the coupling to ensure that the real buffer heads cannot lock when propelled through reverse-curves. With the couplings painted matt earth brown they don't stand out too starkly between the coupled wagons. Four wagons quite deliberately have different arrangements to make either three-link couplings or tension lock couplings available at each end of the set and right in the middle where it may have to be divided and re-coupled as part of a planned operating sequence.IMG_20250909_181033.jpgIMG_20250905_165338.jpgIMG_20250909_181016.jpgIMG_20250909_181107.jpg
 

Graeme King

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Show operation of the layout had also indicated that operators were either having difficulty in seeing the positions of the section breaks in the fiddle yard, or that owing to unfamiliarity, fatigue, distractions or simple oversight they were sometimes failing to draw trains far enough forward for loco and tender to clear the breaks. That was leading to occasional unexpected movement of other locos in the yard and interesting effects on trying to run a second train into the same road...

For trial at our next operting session I have therefore made, from old bicyle spokes (more thrift!) some rather prominent plug-in tall "marker gates" to supplement the track-level red drawing pins that were the only previous indication of the section breaks. Clearances for the posts between the converging/diverging curved tracks in the throats of the fiddle yard are somewhat limited so it remains to be seen whether these will succeed...

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Graeme King

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Other work has involved re-connecting a signal operating linkage and bracing it more firmly so that it cannot disconnect itself again as it did on the Sunday afternoon of the show. I also done a lot more arranging of the wagons that run as fixed sets, so that they travel in the right "train position" order within marked wagon slots in stock boxes, with minimal mixing of different coupling types, so that they are easy to set out and put away again correctly. The wagon organisation is something of a filing clerk's job I suppose, all part of the hobby though.
 

Graeme King

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Oh dear, another two and a half months have disappeared since I last posted anything here.
Christmas decorations sorted anyway.
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If, as I very much hope, 2026 manages to be a little calmer than 2025 has been, I may even have time to construct and show some new models in a while. Fingers crossed...
Let's hope we all have a good Christmas at least.
 
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Graeme King

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Well I did imply that I might manage to get on with the making of some new stock. I have.

I've been covering step by step work on the sometimes-available LNERinfo website (not this evening it would seem, too many connexions - again) , but here's a look at where I am so far. Blame an outline drawing in the RCTS Locomotives of the LNER series, Pt 10A for this, the "prototype" of which was scuppered by the onset of WW2 and then Gresley's death.
It's more than a wee bit excessive to be justifiable on Thelnerby, but that needn't stop it from sneaking out on the odd occasion. I'm sure it will stimulate comment of one sort or another.
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Oban27

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Hi,

now that beast floats my boat! Not because of its size but because it's a "what might have been"! I have a penchant for those sort of locos, no matter the company! Now, if I had the skills, and the time... How did you build it, and what livery are you going to paint it?

Roja
 
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