lancer1027
Western Thunderer
Embryo G1 Garden line
Hi Simon, Great progress being made
I look forward to your thread as it gives me such inspiration. I am eagerly awaiting the next progress report already 
Cant wait to see some pics of rolling stock 
over the new sections
Rob :wave:
Hi Simon, Great progress being made
I look forward to your thread as it gives me such inspiration. I am eagerly awaiting the next progress report already Cant wait to see some pics of rolling stock over the new sections Rob :wave:
Simon
Flying Squad
Embryo G1 Garden line
It's ironic that you should say that,as I came up with the "motorway bridge" approach to limit the amount of physical intrusion that the line of the railway would make on the rest of the garden. It does look a bit fierce at the moment, but I am pretty confident that by the time that "Baggensens Gold", other plants, the bigger rockery and possibly some backfilling has taken place it will look a lot less intrusive.
Cynric is quite right, I don't ever want to move house and I think there is a good chance that we won't, I certainly hope not...
To put the current work into context, here is the by now quite nice embankment section just after I had concreted the lintels in place, bear in mind that the "piers" extend a further 2 odd feet below the ground level.
Not a very pretty sight :lol:
Also, I was using up building rubble and masses of excess soil from the extension at this point, most of which has now (thankfully) gone. The earlier timber construction was quite good, but still required big holes filled with concrete plus the fact that I couldn't locate any more recently removed crossings on the big railway.
It will be a great day indeed when the "golden spike" is finally driven in, a party will definitely be in order and all fellow "blunderers" wil be very welcome - I just hope that it happens during my lifetime :shock:
Thanks to everyone for al the encouragement, I now have enough completed steel framed formwork to keep me busy and have enough steel strip in stock to get the formation right round to the edge of the vegetable patch, Dave can't come back for a couple of weeks now so I have a bit of a chance to "catch up". I don't think the continuous run formation will be completed until spring 2011 but there is still plenty to do, like building 8 more turnouts - aaagh.
It will be nice to get back to some modelling sometime soon............
Neil said:
It's ironic that you should say that,as I came up with the "motorway bridge" approach to limit the amount of physical intrusion that the line of the railway would make on the rest of the garden. It does look a bit fierce at the moment, but I am pretty confident that by the time that "Baggensens Gold", other plants, the bigger rockery and possibly some backfilling has taken place it will look a lot less intrusive.
Cynric is quite right, I don't ever want to move house and I think there is a good chance that we won't, I certainly hope not...
To put the current work into context, here is the by now quite nice embankment section just after I had concreted the lintels in place, bear in mind that the "piers" extend a further 2 odd feet below the ground level.
Not a very pretty sight :lol:
Also, I was using up building rubble and masses of excess soil from the extension at this point, most of which has now (thankfully) gone. The earlier timber construction was quite good, but still required big holes filled with concrete plus the fact that I couldn't locate any more recently removed crossings on the big railway.
It will be a great day indeed when the "golden spike" is finally driven in, a party will definitely be in order and all fellow "blunderers" wil be very welcome - I just hope that it happens during my lifetime :shock:
Thanks to everyone for al the encouragement, I now have enough completed steel framed formwork to keep me busy and have enough steel strip in stock to get the formation right round to the edge of the vegetable patch, Dave can't come back for a couple of weeks now so I have a bit of a chance to "catch up". I don't think the continuous run formation will be completed until spring 2011 but there is still plenty to do, like building 8 more turnouts - aaagh.
It will be nice to get back to some modelling sometime soon............
Phill Dyson
Western Thunderer
Embryo G1 Garden line
It's up to you of course Simon, but have you considered 'Met-Post' & tannalised fence post method for the raised sections ?, it is very quick & extremely solid method for this type of situation
. The advantage with 'Met-Post's' is the wooden post is completely off the ground & doesn't suffer the wood rot problems which used to be a major ptoblem with this type of construction
Phill :wave:
Simon said:
It's up to you of course Simon, but have you considered 'Met-Post' & tannalised fence post method for the raised sections ?, it is very quick & extremely solid method for this type of situation
. The advantage with 'Met-Post's' is the wooden post is completely off the ground & doesn't suffer the wood rot problems which used to be a major ptoblem with this type of construction Phill :wave:
Jordan
Mid-Western Thunderer
Embryo G1 Garden line
. I enjoyed the course, but it convinced me more than ever that I wanted to drive for a living - not be stuck in a factory job... :scratch:
:lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
D'you think we should let Simon have his thread back, now...?!?
:wave:
Yeah, I never 'officially' qualified; I was on a Employment Training Scheme years ago, to help the Government keep it's unemployment figures downCME & Bottlewasher said:
. I enjoyed the course, but it convinced me more than ever that I wanted to drive for a living - not be stuck in a factory job... :scratch: Yep..!!
:lol: Last time I did any weldng was for my layout...
:lol: :lol: :lol:
D'you think we should let Simon have his thread back, now...?!?
:wave:
S
Simon Dunkley
Guest
Embryo G1 Garden line
Lovely stuff, Simon.
Re the "6 foot", if I may catch up on this a new member working through various threads...
The minimum spacing between track centres is usually 11'2" - but this is a minimum and varies. This is about 45mm in 4mm scale! Using Peco Streamline, closer than setrack, the track spacings are more or less S scale for UK prototypes! In theory in sidings it is 15' to allow shunters etc to walk safely between occupied sidings, but photographic evidence suggests that this was an ideal that was honoured more in the breach than the observance.
If you subtract the track gauge from 11' 2", and also the width of two rails, you end up with about 6'2". It probably was 6' at some point, as the track gauge was originally 4'8", but the separation was increased at some point. As a side issue, the Liverpool and Manchester was originally laid with a separation between the outer faces of the inner rails (!) of double track to be the same as the track gauge, the reasoning being that any out of gauge loads would travel down the centre section.
On the broad gauge, they again used 6 between the outer faces of the inner rails, but when they narrowed the gauge, they moved the inner rails out, so that platform faces did not have to be moved in. As a consequence of this, signals could be placed between the lines, on the righthand side of the driver: this also allowed for larger outside cylinders.There were variations between lines, ignoring the fact that the London Extension was built to the Berne loading gauge, and in the grouping period several locos had to have things like boiler fittings and cabs modified to get improved route clearances. The most extreme example I can think of is on the western half of the SMJR, when platform edges had to be removed completely to allow GWR outside cylindered locos to run on through iron ore freight trains: there are several photos of Kineton which show this - often with bizarrely captioned explanations.
On curves the spacing would be increased: think about the overhang (on the ends for outside the curve, mid-point inside the curve) on a 75' long coach (Mk 3). I don't know what the formula is, I am afraid, and to be honest it only comes into play on train set curves, but I don't think it was very much.
In your context, if you go for something around 4.1/4" spacing you will be fine - you might want to go to 4.1/2" spacing, to allow a little more finger room between tracks.
Hope that is of help.
(another) Simon
Lovely stuff, Simon.
Re the "6 foot", if I may catch up on this a new member working through various threads...
The minimum spacing between track centres is usually 11'2" - but this is a minimum and varies. This is about 45mm in 4mm scale! Using Peco Streamline, closer than setrack, the track spacings are more or less S scale for UK prototypes! In theory in sidings it is 15' to allow shunters etc to walk safely between occupied sidings, but photographic evidence suggests that this was an ideal that was honoured more in the breach than the observance.
If you subtract the track gauge from 11' 2", and also the width of two rails, you end up with about 6'2". It probably was 6' at some point, as the track gauge was originally 4'8", but the separation was increased at some point. As a side issue, the Liverpool and Manchester was originally laid with a separation between the outer faces of the inner rails (!) of double track to be the same as the track gauge, the reasoning being that any out of gauge loads would travel down the centre section.
On the broad gauge, they again used 6 between the outer faces of the inner rails, but when they narrowed the gauge, they moved the inner rails out, so that platform faces did not have to be moved in. As a consequence of this, signals could be placed between the lines, on the righthand side of the driver: this also allowed for larger outside cylinders.There were variations between lines, ignoring the fact that the London Extension was built to the Berne loading gauge, and in the grouping period several locos had to have things like boiler fittings and cabs modified to get improved route clearances. The most extreme example I can think of is on the western half of the SMJR, when platform edges had to be removed completely to allow GWR outside cylindered locos to run on through iron ore freight trains: there are several photos of Kineton which show this - often with bizarrely captioned explanations.
On curves the spacing would be increased: think about the overhang (on the ends for outside the curve, mid-point inside the curve) on a 75' long coach (Mk 3). I don't know what the formula is, I am afraid, and to be honest it only comes into play on train set curves, but I don't think it was very much.
In your context, if you go for something around 4.1/4" spacing you will be fine - you might want to go to 4.1/2" spacing, to allow a little more finger room between tracks.
Hope that is of help.
(another) Simon
Simon
Flying Squad
Embryo G1 Garden line
Simon
Thanks for that informative post.
I think one reason for my tracks looking "too close" is the fact that Cliff's sleepers are a scale 9 feet long rather than the later 8 foot six inches
No more progress to report other than the fact that a cat is regularly targeting the side of the track as a prime poo-ing spot
I haven't taken any pictures, but am going to increase trackside patrols...
Simon
Thanks for that informative post.
I think one reason for my tracks looking "too close" is the fact that Cliff's sleepers are a scale 9 feet long rather than the later 8 foot six inches
No more progress to report other than the fact that a cat is regularly targeting the side of the track as a prime poo-ing spot
I haven't taken any pictures, but am going to increase trackside patrols...
Phill Dyson
Western Thunderer
Embryo G1 Garden line
I think it's all that bare loose soil that will be attracting the moggies Simon, once your plants are established & providing ground cover the cats will loose interest.........I know from experience :laugh:
I think it's all that bare loose soil that will be attracting the moggies Simon, once your plants are established & providing ground cover the cats will loose interest.........I know from experience :laugh:
Simon
Flying Squad
Embryo G1 Garden line
Thank you very much to Steve and Roger for travelling down to Bath today, together with a really mouth watering selection of Gauge One models.
I had a really great day, fantastic company, nice weather and of course those trains....
Roger had the very sensible idea of attaching the redundant Peco track to the existing lines on a temporary basis, which we did, achieving a powered line on the "up" side of the loop right up to the new unconcreted track bases. For a buffer stop we utilised a bit of staffordshire engineers blue brick, complete with lichen attached.
Steve (Mr Tiger Viking) took lots of pictures on his camera which will be very good, I was a bit distracted by generally enjoying myself and attending to one or two bits of dodgy wiring :-[ but managed a few snaps nonetheless.
So, in no sensible order and pending the quality stuff, here goes:
Rogers ex works D6333 lifts a light freight over the bridge and up over the moors towards North Cornwall.
The permanent way engineers amongst you will notice the distinct level problem at the end of the bridge
Thank you very much to Steve and Roger for travelling down to Bath today, together with a really mouth watering selection of Gauge One models.
I had a really great day, fantastic company, nice weather and of course those trains....
Roger had the very sensible idea of attaching the redundant Peco track to the existing lines on a temporary basis, which we did, achieving a powered line on the "up" side of the loop right up to the new unconcreted track bases. For a buffer stop we utilised a bit of staffordshire engineers blue brick, complete with lichen attached.
Steve (Mr Tiger Viking) took lots of pictures on his camera which will be very good, I was a bit distracted by generally enjoying myself and attending to one or two bits of dodgy wiring :-[ but managed a few snaps nonetheless.
So, in no sensible order and pending the quality stuff, here goes:
Rogers ex works D6333 lifts a light freight over the bridge and up over the moors towards North Cornwall.
The permanent way engineers amongst you will notice the distinct level problem at the end of the bridge
Phill Dyson
Western Thunderer
Embryo G1 Garden line
Great pics Simon 
Phill :wave:
Great pics Simon
Phill :wave: